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One of the biggest failures of the left is its reactionary defence of Islam (as a religion).
Any honest criticism of Islam is branded Islamophobia (similarly to how any criticism of Israel is conflated with antisemitism).
Regardless of whether one wants to blame the Quran, or the cultures of Muslim communities - the fact remains that people get killed in non-Muslim majority countries for trivial shit.
I could draw a picture of Jesus sucking off Joseph Smith and I don't need to worry about Mormons coming to kill me.
The likelihood of some mentally disturbed person killing you for something like that is about equally high for Muslims or Mormons: i.e extremely low.
But if it is a Muslim, you can be sure the right-wing media is full of it.
You cannot say they are equally high when:
12 people were killed for publishing a cartoon of Muhammad.
A teacher was beheaded for showing a drawing of Muhammad.
Cartoonist drew Muhammad, leading to Danish embassies being attacked and riots broke out and people died. Later, people broke into his house to try to kill him.
Cartoonist had to live under police protection because of threats.
Creators of South Park were threatened for including Muhammad in an episode of the show.
These were just a few from the FIRST PAGE of a search engine, AND outside of Muslim majority countries.
If you still think there's an equal chance of violence against you, then I dare you to draw Muhammad and publish it with your real name.
This is before even considering every other 'provocation', leading to incidences like:
Salman Rushdie being stabbed on stage
A teacher forced into hiding for showing a picture of mahammad
Right so you're answering the argument that killings by muslim are overrepresented in media by quoting search engine results? If you actually want factual numbers you'd need to take a look at the criminal data from you country.
Do you think there's an argument to be made that Boeing's aeroplane failures are overrepresented in media?
What a stupid thing to say.
I don't need to crunch any numbers; the links are right there, the murderers EXPLICITLY state they did it because the person insulted their religion.
I challenge you to find me more than one example of a murder which was deliberately invoked because someone insulted a holy person from another religion over the last ten years.
Yes, Boeing's failures are vastly overrepresented in media if you compare it deaths caused by cars for example. It's really stupid to be afraid of Boeing planes, but not of cars.
And there are litterally thousands of murders caused by right-wing ideology, which is almost indistinguishable from extremist islamism. Look up some actual data on that and you will see that this is a much bigger danger in "non-muslim majority" countries. But you probably don't care because you are personally not their target ๐
You're missing the forest for the trees.
There are thousands of murders caused by right-wing ideology (Islam is also a right-wing ideology), but the difference is nobody is trying to kill me because I say Nazis are bad, or Trump is a dickhead.
And about Boeing... The failures are not vastly overrepresented, they are represented exactly as they are. If a car manufacturer had as many faults as Boeing, then yes, they would get equal airtime. In this analogy, wouldn't it be fucking insane if people were being killed for criticising Boeing?
That is demonstratably false, people get attacked and killed for saying exactly that.
You really need to get out of your right-wing media bubble.
And the Boeing whistleblowers suspiciously died recently ๐ค
Demonstrate it then? Show me an example of someone attempting to kill another because they drew a comic of Trump or Hitler, or were critical.
I don't have a right-wing media bubble. Only one of those articles was from a right-wing news outlet, but that doesn't make it false.
Yes, Boeing whistleblowers suspiciously died recently, and people are noticing, and are being critical of Boeing, as they should - and that's a good thing.
Now it suddenly needs to be the very specific case of drawing a comic ๐ You are moving goalposts, because you can't deny that there have been a lot of right-wing motivated murders.
Killing people for drawing comics IS right-wing motivated murder.
And no, its not moving goal posts because it's the example I've been giving this whole time to illustrate the insanity on display.
I did however offer you a slight concession when I said "or were critical".
Here's the thing, you cannot provide examples which are comparable to the insanity being projected by Islamists.
You mean killing people because they have a different skin color is not even more insane?
Now, I don't believe you're arguing in good faith.
Skin colour is not just skin colour, it has implications about ethnicity, which is agreeably insane, but the whole point I've been arguing about is that I am critical of all religions.
heres a link so you dont imply im movong goalposts.
Can you provide any examples of any other religions, outside of their religious-majority countries, where their followers act as extremely, for as small of a reason?
More moving goalposts. Sorry, but you are not arguing in good faith.
You are literally ignoring what I am saying. I've answered to the thread where you were answering the argument of mentally insane people kill as much as islamists, but the latter are more represented by the media by searching for headlines on a search engine. Nothing else, I've not actually challenged the argument of islamists completely overreacting at people insulting their believes.
Though just to clarify, while sceptism toward religion is always warranted, insulting someone's believes is arguably a no-go as well.
But you're obviously on a slippery slope towards the right. There have been plenty of violent attacks on politicians in the past few months in Germany alone. And they didn't even have to say anything against the attackers ideology
One of the mods banned be because of a disagreement. Don't be surprised if I don't reply after this (means I got banned again) So I'm replying here:
I guess we're just talking past one another.
I am not talking about how represented Islamic terrorism is, at all - whether it is reported in the news or not, it's besides any point I'm making.
It simply is a fact that murdering due to drawing cartoons is not a life or death matter for any other religious group (or any other claims, like Muhammad being a paedophile).
You were temporarily banned because you were arguing in bad faith and constantly moved goalposts. And now you got banned again for ban-evasion.
Arguing against a media bias by showing search results from media that confirm that bias ๐
I was never arguing against media bias, so, whatever I guess.