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The US is thinking about letting Ukraine use its weapons to strike Russia, even if it enrages Putin: report (www.businessinsider.com)

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US officials are considering letting Ukraine strike Russia with US weapons, The New York Times reports.
Ukraine says it's necessary to fight cross-border attacks.
But fears of crossing Russia's red lines have long made the US hesitate.

The US has barred Ukraine from striking targets in Russian territory with its arsenal of US weapons.

But that may be about to change. The New York Times on Thursday reported that US officials were debating rolling back the rule, which Ukraine has argued severely hampers its ability to defend itself.

The proposed U-turn came after Russia placed weapons across the border from northeastern Ukraine and directed them at Kharkiv, the Times reported, noting that Ukraine would be able to use only non-American drones to hit back.

The Times reported that the proposal was still being debated and had yet to be formally proposed to President Joe Biden.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

And if every country on earth suddenly starts playing a hand, someone is going to bust, so pick your poison I guess

That's not even remotely how poker works, at all (or geopolitics).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It's okay if you don't understand the analogy

When everyone has nukes, all it takes is one country busting for us all to lose

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It’s okay if you don’t understand the analogy

Lmao. Let me just clear this up so you can stop pretending to know what you're talking about about.

In poker, you don't bust (that is, lose all your chips) unless you go all-in and lose. "If every country on earth suddenly starts playing a hand, someone is going to bust" is not true at all, because plenty of hands don't end in someone busting. Just because you lose a hand doesn't mean you're out of the game.

It's pretty clear that you were confused about the meaning of "bust" in this context which is fine but being both wrong and condescending makes you less sympathetic. Although, not nearly as much as being in favor of recklessly risking global thermonuclear war does.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Man this is your own analogy, do I really gotta explain it

If everyone is suddenly playing at the nuclear poker table, the chances of SOMEONE going all in each hand drastically increases, and if any one singular player goes bust, we ALL lose because the damn table explodes

Appeasement just kicks the can down the road (and makes things much worse in the future), it's vital that we not make playing nuclear poker appealing by letting countries get away with shit even if they do have nukes

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Accept you were wrong after being unequivocally proven wrong challenge level: impossible.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you're going to struggle this hard to follow along with expansions of your own analogies it would probably be best if you stopped using them, it's just making it harder on everyone else

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

God you're prideful. If you won't admit your mistakes then there's no point in trying to convince you of anything because you obviously won't listen, and there's no value in hearing your perspective because it's clearly unrefined.

Ironically, if you understood the fact that you could lose a poker hand without busting, maybe you could understand that you could concede this one tiny point and stay in the game. But I guess you only know how to escalate and double down. Rather Trumpian if you ask me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's okay, I forgive you, we all make mistakes sometimes, I'm sure you'll have better luck next time you try to engage

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Well, you certainly do. I didn't make any mistakes in this conversation, apart from engaging with you at all. You, otoh, said something demonstrably and objectively incorrect, and then proceeded to, what are we at, quadruple down on it?