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An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.

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0. Only post socialist memes That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme)

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[–] MisterFrog 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Then Ms 8h account with their full name (deeeeefinitelty not a shill, deeeefinitelt a genuine user. Yeah people on Lemmy toooootally use their full name as if it were facebook), I'll just have to conclude you're trying to sway leftists not to vote for Biden, so the world ends up with trump.

I hope you're unsuccessful.

[–] VictoriaAScharleau 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] MisterFrog 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Okay 👍 Please do explain your whacky logic though. I came to the conclusion you're a troll because you're not really engaging by explaining your position beyond: "I don't wanna, it's a lie! The media is lying!!"

Go learn maths, go understand the mechanism behind the spoiler effect. Go look at the literal mountains of examples of it in play. Unless you think it's just some massive coincidence that every first-past-the-post system trends towards two parties.

I'm very keen and willing hear to any actual logic you bring to the table to justify your belief.

[–] VictoriaAScharleau 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Go learn maths, go understand the mechanism behind the spoiler effect.

this condescension is really inappropriate.

[–] MisterFrog 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sorry, that's my bad. Your initial response was quite frustrating.

Emotions are high because this election affects people around the world, and hearing that you don't care enough to make a difference, is not very pleasant.

I apologise.

[–] VictoriaAScharleau 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

you don’t care enough to make a difference,

if the difference i made put biden in power, i would feel terrible. same for trump. so i will vote for someone i do want to have the office for 4 years.

[–] MisterFrog 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Alrighty, then I suppose you just aren't voting. Which is your choice, just as long as you're clear on that.

Your candidate is not going to win, and I think you know that.

And if you think these choices are equally as bad, that's a whole different topic that let's not get in to.

[–] VictoriaAScharleau 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

they don't need to be equal for neither of them to be acceptable

[–] MisterFrog 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

For sure, I wouldn't like voting for either, also.

Just that if they're not equal, then that means you have a preference. And I hope you will act on that preference and make a difference, instead or just making yourself feel good that you've voted for the candidate you liked best.

You've been robbed of that choice by your voting system.

[–] VictoriaAScharleau 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I would feel terrible if my vote helped put either of them in office, so I can't justify voting for either of them.

[–] MisterFrog 2 points 1 month ago

Well I suppose for voters like you, then yeah, go vote for your candidate. Just seems odd that you're saying you don't think their equally bad, but instead of then making a difference to ensure the less bad option wins, you'd rather make yourself feel good for voting for someone you like best.

May the gods have mercy on us mere vassals who are watching from the sidelines.

Stay safe in these troubled times friend, and thanks for engaging, even if at times it got a bit heated and apologies for offence caused.

[–] VictoriaAScharleau 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

you asked for the same explanation in three separate comments in succession. perhaps you could wait until you get teh explanation before badgering me.

[–] MisterFrog 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah we have many separate threads now. Apologies for this.

[–] VictoriaAScharleau 1 points 1 month ago

i don't mind having many threads. it's at least partially my doing. but having redundant conversations across them seems like a giant waste.

[–] VictoriaAScharleau 0 points 1 month ago

your insinuations and suppositions don't change the truth of what I've said