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[–] mojo_raisin 43 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I get the sentiment, that we're not killing nature, just ourselves, but "nature" is not one thing. Killing nature amounts to humans causing incredible suffering to untold trillions of individual animals each with a lilfe, a consciousness.

I saw my Kitty suffocate due to embolism and had to put her down and it's no less of an awful event because it was a cat and not a human, it screwed me up and it was years ago. I imagine that level of needless suffering happening every day X 1 billion due to human greed and apathy.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago (2 children)

"Nature" also has lots of suffering in it even without our help. I agree we shouldn't cause undue harm, but the suggestion that animals won't suffer without us is naïve at best.

My condolences for your kitty, but nature would not have granted her the more peaceful end you gave her.

[–] mojo_raisin 3 points 5 months ago

Pretty sure I already specified unnecessary suffering, I didn't suggest that animals wouldn't suffer without us.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

i like the ever so slight implication here that a handful of deer could presumably cause global warming if we just didn't exist now.

I wonder how likely that is to be true.

[–] grandkaiser 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Human-accelerated global warming wouldn't happen via a handful of deer.... But global warming was going to happen even if humans never existed. Global temperatures have waxed and waned since before life existed. The only difference here is that we're pressing on the gas pedal (literally) and accelerating the process. The idea that global temperatures would have never climbed without humans empowers denialists by giving them a strawman to point at.