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Margaery is my favorite character from the series. But I wanted to hear what people think about her!
To what degree is she authentic or aware of the larger Tyrell plans? What is George saying about femininity? And what role does her PR have in translating into actual power in the series?
Just like listening to people's thoughts on her character.
Honestly, no idea if she did! I get the sense Catelyn might have just because of how Hoster was as a father, and that he seems more ambitious than Ned. I wouldn't be surprised if Ned wanted to shield his children more from the politics or rest of Westeros as much as he could due to his trauma.
I'm not super sure if George thought everything through but things get more fleshed out as he writes worldbuilding stuff (that's not uh TWOW). Like, I think if anything the isolation of the Stark girls and Cersei are exceptions rather than what should have been or what's politically advantageous. The Reach does well in cultivating alliances by having a women's court of a sort around Margaery. We see that for Rhaena (first one) and Alysanne, as well, and it seems like something Alyssa made sure they had from a young age. But this could also be due to George's gardening.
it guess the norm is just to treat women as a means to forge a political alliance, rather than training them to take advantage of their softer form of power. Sansa was taught to be an uncontroversial housewife basically, which might be all that is expected of women typically. Honestly that might have been enough if Joff wasn't Joff. Women's ambition isn't often validated or encouraged i suppose in westeros. It could even be said to be a weakness of their patriarchal society that they don't validate women in this way. Which harmed both Sansa and Cersei in different ways.