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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Biden is not exactly “rich”, with a total net worth of about $10 million, mostly due to two homes he’s owned for decades. He and his wife’s AGI is about $580,000 - in line with an upper middle class doctor or lawyer.

Regarding Palestine, Biden is undeniably the better choice when it comes to supporting Palestinians. It’s not hard to imagine what Trump would have done given his sentiment that Israel should “finish the job”.

[–] Ipodjockey -1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I've heard this sentiment from many other people, and I understand where you are coming from. Six months ago I would have said the same.

But, I can't stomach it anymore. I saw a video yesterday of Palestinian boy the same age as my youngest. He was screaming in frustration because his family is dying of thirst. The innocent rage on his face and the tears of hopelessness were like a punch in the gut.

What Israel has done to Palestine and is currently doing is evil. Straight up Nazi-like genocide and ethnic cleansing. They have concentration camps... It's fucking awful. And the bombs that are killing those babies are paid for with our taxes and labor. And we can see it happening in real time, they aren't even trying to hide it.

Biden might not say the quiet part out loud, but the billions of dollars in weapons he is sending to Israel will "finish the job" just the same. He is a war criminal funding genocide. Neither is an ethical choice. I'm choosing to do what I can to tear the system down and vote third party until it gains traction. Or till a civil war breaks out. Fuck the fear mongering trying to force a political binary, fuck both parties.

10 million net worth is still rich by my personal definition. Biden also controls immense political capital which is another form of wealth.

Anyways, I'm obviously a little heated about this, but hopefully I'm making some rational sense.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If you would have voted for Biden, and you’re choosing not to vote or you vote third-party, you are effectively voting for Trump. That’s the worse choice, ethically.

You are not giving a rational argument - you are describing a course of action that will result in the less moral outcome.

[–] Ipodjockey -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If both candidates are morally reprehensible and the political elite refuse to give the voters better options. Then revolution and overthrow of the government is the only ethical course of action available.

I think you are describing a path of political damage control, but I am of the opinion that the political parties are two sides of the same right-wing coin. A vote for either results in our rights being stripped away to benefit the wealthy class. It's just a matter of speed and approach. Also, there is an argument to be made that minorities are already living under severe state oppression and to uphold the system as is only benefits the white majority.

At some point I have to pull the moral rip cord and stop participating in a immoral system as much as possible. Otherwise I am just an enabler.

I think there is better way to run human society and I don't think the American Republic as is has a path towards that.

I think we might be the bad guys...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Apathy/“checking out” is an intended consequence of amped-up propaganda. In Russia, it’s deployed so the “ruling elite” have even less oversight.

To make things better, you have to help steer - saying you’re not going to participate unless everything is perfect nullifies your impact.

And, to be sure, “burning it down” will almost certainly not result in things aligning to your moral stance - opportunistic, evil actors thrive in chaos.