A Song Of Ice And Fire

I try to keep the two as separate as possible, but I'd be lying if I said I found that easy. The biggest thing for me is faces, I really struggle to envisage the characters how they're written in the book rather than how they look on the screen.

It seems like incredibly bad politics and even worse from a moral standpoint..

I'm currently working my way through the series for a second time (took a decade off). I've just finished Clash and I guess my main takeaway right now is mainly the following:

Fuck Theon Greyjoy.

Now I know his arc, I know that in a few books time I'm probably going to feel a bit different, but right now I'm really struggling to square away the fact that he murdered two small children, and was willing to hang a child in order to hold back an army hell-bent on retaking his castle.

I'm thinking that maybe, Theon kinda deserves what he's got coming to him.

I loved it! Watched Alt-Shift-X Livestream Q&A on it!

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Sorry. Not sure if news/articles are allowed here, but I thought it was relevant to the theme of the community.

Just finished a re-read of the series, first reread since beginning to engage with fan theories and such. A fan observation that I've seen and think is really valuable, is that when characters in asoiaf make plans and we see the details, the events usually go awry. Most of the speculation I've seen regarding Aegon VI has his invasion basically going according to the plan Varys lays out in the adwd epilogue. I understand this because he outlines what seems to be the obvious trajectory of events following Kevan and Pycelle's deaths, and Varys has proven a capable manipulator so we trust him to make nudge things along in that direction further. However I would look at his claims and start a bit of a brainstorm on counterfactuals.

• 1. The Lannisters and Tyrells were reconciling, and with Kevan's death they will irreparably at odds, blaming each other, and the dornish.
• 2. Binding the faith to Tommen.
• 3. Aegon VI's capture of Storm's End will both happen, and draw the lords of the realm to him.
• 4. Aegon VI being raised similarly to Aegon V will make him a good king.

1. It seems so obvious that Cersei will blame the Tyrells, but he also covertly gives another option, could they unite and blame the dornish together? This seems like a possible alternate avenue to me, especially after the business with Myrcella, Dorne keeping their armies in reserve, the Red Viper defending Tyrion etc.

2. Other than Baelor the Blessed, the Targs have kind of always been at odds with the faith of the seven. If Tommen becomes especially pious, it seems to me that it would take more than Kevan's death to stop the faith from binding itself to him.

3. Aside from the riverlands and the north, the stormlands seem like the next most depeleted / demobilized of the kingdoms, most of their armies and lords are either with Stannis in the north, or adjoined to one of the Tyrell hosts. If Stannis' lords basically looted their own larders on the way out, holding the stormlands might mainly bring logistical challenges as the golden company needs to organize and start to administer their lands in winter, while facing the logistical might of the Tyrells.

4. Aegon VI being a king who does right by the smallfolk is appealing to us, the readers, but in universe (with the exception of Jaehaerys I, who had dragons) these kings face a lot of pushback from the noble class and are often embattled and ineffective rulers. Not exactly a surefire recipe for an insurgent king.

5. Not mentioned by Varys, but related: Jon Connington has greyscale. I don't know that we have enough time left in the story for a grey plague subplot to run its course, but the revelation could doom Aegon's cause. Perhaps Aegon himself too, if he contracts it somehow.

What do you think? Other ways the Aegon cause may not run smoothly? Other details, for or against what I've brought up?

I'll get us started...

I don't like the show's version of the Blackfish. Not to say I dislike the performance at all...but I feel like the show writers tried to build the Blackfish up at the expense of Edmure and that really rubs me the wrong way.

What's your unpopular show opinion?

Post your memes and such here. :-)

Just wondering if anyone knows of a podcast that goes chapter by chapter through the books?

I'm on my second reading of the series right now (the first being over 12 years ago) and I'd absolutely love to be able to have something to listen along to. Any ideas?

Granted, I am not active in many places where theories get bandied about.. but I have never heard any connection being made between the "Lightbringer" and the sword wielded by the House Dayne, "Dawn".. which is apparently hanging out in Dayne HQ waiting for the next Sword of the Morning to drop in and grab it.

Other than seeming too on the nose, this seems pretty much right on the nose to me... I dont know if there is much to be discussed on this, but would love to hear some other opinions on this idea.

Edit: just found a video with over 2 million views where it was mentioned... Lol. So i guess SOME people are talking about it. My bad!

Hi all!

I joined the community a while ago - I was a long time lurker at r/asoiaf.

Here’s my question for y’all: How do you feel about Young Griff ? I am still kind of puzzled at his inclusion. Kind of creating a plot line that might take tension from the eventual R+L=J reveal to Danny.

Thoughts ?

Im specifically asking for channels that discuss the books, not the show. With my yt searches, it was difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff, so i thought id ask here.

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I thought this community might find it interesting to talk about some of the more unusual peripheral characters. And I thought we could start it off talking about Penny.

She's had a rough go of it. Penny and her brother went into what seemed like a harmless but lucrative entertainment gig at a royal wedding. But from there it all went wrong for them.

Their physical traits and unwitting association with a plan to tarnish Tyrion's name caused Oppo to be mistaken for Tyrion and murdered. And then in her grief she tried to get misplaced revenge on Tyrion with a murder attempt, before befriending him. Then both of them got captured and enslaved. And when they are finally given a chance to escape she had to leave behind her beloved pets.

Yet during all this, she clearly starts to fall in love with Tyrion (based on one of the TWOW sample chapters). They share a common bond of being innocent victims to House Lannister's malice.

What other emotional connections do Penny and Tyrion share?

What do you think her and Oppo's origin story or upbringing was?

Will Tyrion reciprocate her affections?

Is Penny only falling for Tyrion because she's lonely or traumatized?

What are your theories about what's in store for Penny in the future, possibly in the royal court of Danerys?

Hey folks, there is a moderately active asoiaf Lemmy community at @asoiaf. Lemmy and Kbin are the fediverse reddit clones. If you give it a follow, it should pop up new posts in that community into your home feed here on Mastodon. It's one of those fediverse tricks you can't do on Twitter and Reddit. You can comment on those posts from here, too. You just won't be able to create new threads there without creating a Kbin or Lemmy account.

What's a theory that you'd hate to be correct, but are convinced is likely?

Considering the looming threats of dany, faegon, euron and the white walkers, who on the iron throne could prepare the realm for all this?

Hello all!

Margaery is my favorite character from the series. But I wanted to hear what people think about her!

To what degree is she authentic or aware of the larger Tyrell plans? What is George saying about femininity? And what role does her PR have in translating into actual power in the series?

Just like listening to people's thoughts on her character.

Feel free to post your favourite ASOIAF-related fan art here. Either your own creations, or your favourites by other people.

House Targaryen had arguably been the most influential in Westeros for centuries prior to Robert's Rebellion. But them aside, which other house has also played a huge role in the shaping of Westeros? And why?