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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

under any coherent definition of "whataboutism", it would mean saying "any crimes against humanity committed by the North Korean government don't matter, because of [something an unrelated regime did]".

instead, I was responding to @[email protected], who was saying that the US invading North Korea wouldn't make the citizens' lives any worse – to which, talking about the history of how US invasions have affected people seems, I don't know, extremely relevant?

unless your comment is meant to be satire about how "whataboutism" is coming to mean "any criticism of the US government whatsoever", in which case it's a beautiful job 👏

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

just like the neutral-to-positive impact caused by some good ol' apple pie war crimes in Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc...?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

what if we had records of contemporary US top military leaders saying the exact opposite, would you stop cheerleading for mass slaughter then?

because, in an amazing coincidence...

While a majority of Americans may not be familiar with this history, the National Museum of the U.S. Navy in Washington, D.C., states unambiguously on a plaque with its atomic bomb exhibit: “The vast destruction wreaked by the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the loss of 135,000 people made little impact on the Japanese military. However, the Soviet invasion of Manchuria … changed their minds.”...

Seven of the United States’ eight five-star Army and Navy officers in 1945 agreed with the Navy’s vitriolic assessment. Generals Dwight Eisenhower, Douglas MacArthur and Henry “Hap” Arnold and Admirals William Leahy, Chester Nimitz, Ernest King, and William Halsey are on record stating that the atomic bombs were either militarily unnecessary, morally reprehensible, or both.

No one was more impassioned in his condemnation than Leahy, Truman’s chief of staff. He wrote in his memoir “that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender …. In being the first to use it we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages.”

MacArthur thought the use of atomic bombs was inexcusable. He later wrote to former President Hoover that if Truman had followed Hoover’s “wise and statesmanlike” advice to modify its surrender terms and tell the Japanese they could keep their emperor, “the Japanese would have accepted it and gladly I have no doubt.”

Before the bombings, Eisenhower had urged at Potsdam, “the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.”

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-08-05/hiroshima-anniversary-japan-atomic-bombs

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

"unfortunately, there was just no way around it - they built their own weapons instead of buying them for billions each from Lockheed Martin, so the US government just had to murder hundreds of thousands of their civilians" said Spacemanspliff, ruefully taking a toke in memorial of the people who'd chosen to become victims of war crimes

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

I assume bigotry based on "plural" (multiple identities) in the twitter profile

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I hope the ghosts of hundreds of thousands of murdered Japanese civilians haunt you for the rest of your life. thank fuck even the post-1945 US government isn't as bloodthirsty for war crimes as you are

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (8 children)

"free folk" is a weird way to describe the US/UK/etc., given what civil rights in those places were like at the time, and the fact that the US now has the highest incarceration rate of anywhere in the world (and a prison system that kills a higher percentage of prisoners than the gulags in the USSR did).

what's your evidence that

a) the US got involved in the second world war for any reason other than to fight communism (US businesses continued to trade with the Nazi regime right until the end of the war),

b) that the US had any capacity to push further east than they did,

c) that anyone in the USSR wanted their "liberation" (polls in all of the places you mentioned had huge support for the USSR all the way to its dissolution, and even the CIA admits that calling Stalin a "dictator" was misleading propaganda

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

all of your downvotes - many more than the person you're replying to - are for trying to claim that a system that's functioned as a pyramid scheme for most of its existence is not a pyramid scheme.

how much cryptocurrency do you have?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

sure, I wouldn't say no if airbnb instituted a global 2-address-per-person policy 🤝

but not everyone's "inhospitable for over half the year" is the same, I know more than one person whose local community has been basically destroyed by second home owners, there were plenty of people wanting to live in those places full-time but they were priced out.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

because it's doing free advertising for exploitative corporations

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

huh, thank you for leading me to find out about organocobalt compounds, and complicate my understanding of organic/inorganic chemistry. I still that fits the simple definition of "organic" = "contains carbon" that most chemists would use, though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

or Decimal Internet Time, which is way easier to do calculations with, easier to distinguish from local times, and is less eurocentric

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