steventhedev

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[–] steventhedev -1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, the misleading headline/tagline are 100% on the site. Heck, the community rules require the title to match the article, so it's not like you had an option.

Feiglin is a nutjob, but he's unfortunately a shrewd politician and Israeli politics are currently dominated by finge nutjobs.

In general, calling someone a diplomat implies that they are currently representing the State. While it is an impressive qualification, and Italy is not a minor posting, he would face very real consequences for saying those things if he were currently holding that position.

That ultimately is kind of the point: neither of them will face domestic consequences for this. One has always been at the fringe shouting hateful stuff, and the other works for a right wing newspaper as an opinion writer.

[–] steventhedev -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

People who talk about genocide usually agree with the whole river to the sea thing which is literal genocide.

For anyone else reading who is unfamiliar: "from the river to the sea, we will be free" is a slogan used by many Palestinians that refers to their desire to have a single Palestinian state with no Jews at all. It is a call to violence.

If you're just reading the propaganda and think there's a literal genocide going on, go ahead and read about the Armenian genocide. Then compare the actions, and how many have passed. Israel sometimes has incredibly oppressive policies, but they are far from a genocide and raising that accusation is particularly hurtful given the Jewish people's history of the Holocaust.

[–] steventhedev 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The main arguments for wiggling around it are based on balancing multiple lives against one. There's a ton of commentary that are basically trolley problem examples. So self-defense is ok, intent matters, etc. Very similar to how most Western legal codes (quite possibly more, I'm just less familiar) distinguish between manslaughter, murder in the moment, planned murder, etc.

Keep in mind it is a religious text, so it obviously also carves out a bunch of stuff around killing for the purpose of enforcing laws (capital punishment), warfare, etc.

I would not be surprised if there's something in there about how it's ok to kill people who tie their shoes the wrong way.

[–] steventhedev 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Literally the headline is "Israel diplomat calls...". It's incredibly misleading - hell, even the tagline that you copied in as the post body doesn't even qualify it.

Feiglin is absolutely a fringe nutjob, and has been pushed out of politics because he was too extreme even for Netanyahu. His wikipedia entry has more content under the "Controversy and criticism" section than outside it.

I'm less familiar with the other one.

[–] steventhedev 44 points 1 year ago (8 children)

The headline is misleading. From the article:

Dror Eydar, Israel’s former ambassador to Italy ... who is also a columnist with the Israeli daily newspaper Israel Hayom...

He is no longer in public service and does not represent Israeli interests in any official capacity.

...former Knesset member Moshe Feiglin...

He has not held public office since 2015.

Their statements are incredibly racist and dehumanizing, and have been condemned by the majority of the world. But they do not represent Israel in any official capacity. They are simply not newsworthy outside of documenting their existence on the off chance they reenter public life in the future.

I won't stoop to the New Arab's level of trawling for extremist wannabe politicians. I'll just look for a current Qatari public figure who are currently holding public office. That didn't take long.

[–] steventhedev 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Reuters, AP, and NYT don't cover it comprehensively, but there is single-sentence coverage in almost every daily summary:

The biggest difference is that Israel at least claims to be bombing military infrastructure - barracks, magazines, rocket launch sites, etc. Hamas are aiming primarily at civilians.

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