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Is RSS & Bajrang Dal taking over Indian Military or The Indian Army is being turned into a special branch of RSS & Bajrang Dal? LoL

Yes, I am aware that CBC was going to go public with their report and they notified Trudeau beforehand. I watched the interview of the CBC journalist by Karan Thapar.

It is indeed painful and unfortunate for everyone. I understand that geopolitics is extremely complicated, it's not as straightforward as asking the allies to back the claims based on evidences alone.

I don't see an incentive for Canada to lie.

That's a bit debatable. There are speculation that Trudeau is doing this to win popularity among the Sikh community in Canada. It is obvious that his government needs their support. So there might be a internal political pressure as well. Not to mention Canada has an upcoming federal election in 2025.

I'm not saying this is the case. But as you said you trust your government and you see no reasons for them to lie. Similarly many people from the other sidr can choose to believe in their government too. There are plausible speculations on the both sides. But plausibility rarely helps, instead often introduces biases in our thinking. That's why producing evidence is extremely important. I hope Canada do provide some evidence which is accepted by international community. I'll give you an example. In case of Jamal Khashoggi killing Saudí Arabia never admitted any wrongdoings. But from the evidences we all know what happened and who did what. So, as a concerned human being is it unreasonable to ask something similar in this case as well?

I'm not a representative of my Government so I can't really say what they'll do in case the evidences are rightfully presented. But my experience with the current government and my common sense tells me that they will try their best to wiggle out of the allegations and evidences. But that doesn't matter, what matters is whether international community accepts the evidence provided by Canada or not.

If India indeed commited the alleged crime, I want my fellow citizens to know that and see how international community vetted the evidences. So that they can judge wisely in our next election and vote accordingly. As I said in my original comment, I don't want to see my country degrades itself to the level of CIA, Mossad or FSB.

So what will providing proof accomplish anyway?

I don't agree. Something is better than nothing, even if things are heavily redacted. I as a common man may not interprete them adequately but there are people who can. Especially people from the intelligece community can check and somewhat verify if there is anything plausible with respect to the accusitions. This important for the allies of the Canada too. Canada is a member five eyes, so they can definitely validate their gathered intels with the likes of UK, US if the evidence deemed unfit for public release. So far I have not seen any of those countries conclusively made statements that they validated Canada's allegations. The investigation is ongoing anyway.

It does not matter whether Indian PM admits it or not if evidence is there and the international community verified and largely accepts it as truth. So far I haven't seen this happen.

Off course Canada can do whatever they choose in their jurisdiction. For example, many countries creates travel advisory for their citizens regarding which countries are deemed safe / not safe for them to travel to. If country X says that country Y is unsafe for their citizens to travel to, it's perfectly fine. However, that doesn't mean country Y is universally unsafe. But, when it comes to international relations we can't just hurl allegation to another sovereign country without any evidence, independent verification / backing. Because tomorrow country Z can allege something outrageous about country A without evidence, will the international community accept that without questions as well?

Personally I feel diplomacy from both sides have failed us. It's their job to handle these things more gracefully.

I am a common citizen I literally have no internal knowledge, especially in these top secret national security stuff. As a sane human being what I can say is that incentive to commit the alleged crime is there. That doesn't necessarily mean we actually did it. And yes as a society currently we are in ultra nationalistic clusterf**k. So public sentiment is there to support this kind nefarious behavior domestically.

It is really unfortunate situation. At one hand it's foolish to blindly believe anyone (irrespective of their designation county or affiliation) without concrete evidence, especially regarding issues as serious as this. On the other hand I also kinda understand how hard it is to make espionage related evidences publicly available, even for world leaders. In any case, diplomacy from both sides failed us. Knee jerk reactions in international relationship seldom help.

Above all, what I would like to point out is that, this is a kind of situation where nobody wins.

I understand your point of view but don't you think these things should have been considered thoroughly before going public in this manner? It is only fair to ask for conclusive proof if you accuse something serious like this in public. It is safe to assume all diplomatic effort has been failed from both side. Also as far as I read in the news, the investigation itself is ongoing. Don't you think all these confusions could have avoided if Canada decided to go public after concluding the investigation? That way India would have very little wiggle room to refute the hard evidence presented.

As an Indian I agree. But I need to see conclusive proof first. I don't want to see my country degrades itself to the same level as CIA / NSA or Mossad. If we did something wrong there should be adequate consequences.

No, I want them to actually adopt it in parctice rather than creating hype. The reason they fail to do it in large scale is because of lack of people with knowledge of Linux working for the government (including defense). To change that the education sector of the country need to adopt Linux first. Currently only a elite group choosing IT during college gets exposure to Linux. Rest of the mass has no clue what Linux is or how to use it. Only handful of engineers not going to change it, they need real adoption by common people for everyday use.

Take anything from India with a grain of salt. This kind announcement happened in the past but ultimately failed to gain any steam.

UPDATE:

Can't even stop laughing LMAO 🤣🤣 🤣

A welcome move. F**k megacorps polluting everything on internet.

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