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Me too, Bill, me too

I imagine other platforms like kbin would become popular in place of Lemmy. We’d likely see a similar dip and normalization from Reddit’s user base.

The world would probably look about the same as it is now. I like using Lemmy, but the absence of forum isn’t the end of the world I suppose

Relevant: https://github.com/mormaer/Mlem/issues/292

Seems the team got wind of it recently

I think that is a reasonable approach. I also reason personally that just not buying the eggs is better than the pasture raised eggs. That being said, my OP was about the theoretical on what is right and wrong, not the practical advice I'd tell others in their purchasing decisions.

Good discussion on how we ought to engage with people. 10/10 would do again

I am quite aware of each of the labels and their often times meaningless qualities. Have spent about 5 years in the activism space, although there's always something new.

But I will say, each step is indeed better. You are right to point out that others will just buy the caged-chicken eggs as they're cheaper. This tells me we need better legislation so standards are not up to struggling individuals, but enforced laws. But people will not vote for law makers nor will law makers introduce and vote on bills that are unpopular with people. We need more people to feel that cage-free is the default. This is obviously just a stepping stone, but it is a vital one.

Each step, while incremental, is vital to changing the world. There are a significant portion of people currently alive that will never change there ways unless given an easier solution. They ought to change, but we need to work with what we can for the time being. With that, we can advocate for policy changes, research in good alternatives, and bring about campaigns without the corporate sphere, even if it seems like we're doing very little.

Even if the goal is the abolition of human and non-human interaction, we need logical steps to get there. Otherwise, we don't move the world forward.

The study did not specifically test said products, yet they note future studies ought to do so.

However, given that dairy products do indeed have DNA from the cow they are taken from and are pasteurized at 280-320C, a temperature range far greater than anything tested in this study, it stands that the conclusion could be the same. I am unfamiliar with the specific heating practices in common yogurt brands, so I cannot even begin to speculate there.

This would match up with some initial evidence that cancer, especially prostate cancer, may be linked with higher dairy consumption. However, the authors in these studies speculate that the cancer risk is from high consumption of IGF-1 (insulin-like growth factor 1) which is especially high in dairy products. The linked study looked at direct comparison between soya milk and dairy milk which can be troublesome because soy products have been shown decrease risks of cancer. Other studies comment on the effects of milk on cancer risk from several linked papers.

To gain deeper understanding of whether dairy milk may influence cancer risk, more research is needed to clarify whether there are plausible biological mechanisms, including how different dairy products relate to the IGF system, to other hormones and to other bioactive constituents.

This is especially important with the original post here. There may be future studies that expand on the relative risks of both IGF-1 and damaged DNA in dairy.

Yeah, green/ethical washing seems to be annoyingly more prevalent these days. One thing that you might be interested in, given your pluralist approach to ethics, is this strategy guide to the welfarist approach. It acknowledges that we need to change people's mind, but also presents the idea that cultures change slowly so we should probably target easy to achieve goals (cage free -> pasture raised -> no slaughter ->). I will always tell people to just stop doing what they're doing, but if I have to focus on a wide scale issue, i'll focus on something achievable to get the ball rolling. After all, it's very easy to go from flexitarian to vegetarian/vegan than it is to go from a carnist to a vegan.

Long comments are good comments in my opinion lol.

If you're looking for a chicken substitute that holds up, look no further than Sweet Earth's "Chik'n" strips. I tried Morningstar's and I didn't find it to be the right texture. Sweet earth somehow figured out the perfect non-breaded chicken strip. I'd use that jazz in anything if I wasn't trying to conserve my budget.

Also, idk if you've tried it yet, but Gardein makes a great "chick'n" noodle soup for lazy days.

I wish the seafood substitutes were there. The breaded stuff like fish and chips are great and there are a few brands of tuna substitutes I like, but I haven't seen a shrimp or salmon substitute. For sushi or smoked salmon bits, sure, there are lots of things that have a similar taste, but I haven't found anything like something you'd get in a restaurant. If you like to cook, sauce stach always comes through with surprisingly good tasting recipes.

I also have no ability to detect sarcasm so apologies if this was in jest.

Eating raw foods doesn't guarantee not getting cancer. We're constantly exposed to carcinogens so the best thing we can do is reasonably avoid them when we can. Raw food diets are pretty tough to keep up with and have their own risks. Just eat a diet comprised of mostly or all plants, avoid a lot of added sugar, saturated fat, sodium, alcohol, and nicotine containing products. Just by doing that, you give yourself a pretty good chance of a healthy life.

Would recommend trying some of the new plant-based meat products while you're at it. Stuff from Impossible and Beyond Foods are pretty much taste-alikes for burgers. Morningstar has the same with appetizer items like chicken nuggets. Gardein is cheaper and usually marketed as healthy (lower saturated fat and sodium), but isn't as good for said healthy reasons. I still buy that because of the low cost though. Places like Aldi have their own products that are the cheapest of them all and pretty decent tasting ngl.

Given that heat-induced deamination producing dU in isolated DNA continues to proceed over extended times (Figure 2b), (18) hours of roasting or smoking could potentially result in higher levels of damage, although this was not tested here. For dU in briefly roasted beef, the amounts found here correspond to milligram quantities in a serving of cooked meat, as much as 1000 times greater than concentrations of HCA or PAH molecules in cooked meats

Summary here

That is some damn great food diversity if I've ever seen it