atomkarinca

no, the ottomans were the occupiers, so thats just not my logic.

and the same goes for the rest.

this discussion turned into a loop, so i guess good day to you.

ok then look at the demographic between 1917~1948, you will see how the land was not bought but stolen, not from the ottomans but the british.

when you illegally occupy a land long enough, it does not make the occupation go away. its still an occupied territory.

i have been saying the same thing from the beginning, but i think your perspective of the situation is holding you back from understanding what im saying.

you can put innocent people anywhere in the world and they dont stop being innocent. but that does not change the fact that they are in someone elses home illegally.

if they did not want to be in someone elses home then it is the fault of the government, if they did want to be in someome elses home then it is their fault.

your assumption is wrong.

israel displaced millions of palestinians and replaced them with settlers. the blood is on israel government not hamas. they could easily not replace millions of people and we would not be here today.

cool down your horses!

world is not made up of your coworkers.

"2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for their independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial domination, apartheid and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle;" https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-184195/

war crimes:

• Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly;
• Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated;
• Attacking or bombarding, by whatever means, towns, villages, dwellings or buildings which are undefended and which are not military objectives;
• The transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory;
• Intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected, provided they are not military objectives;
• Intentionally using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare by depriving them of objects indispensable to their survival, including wilfully impeding relief supplies as provided for under the Geneva Conventions; https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/war-crimes.shtml

these are the ones that were committed in just few days.

no im not saying that, youre saying that. you are equating what israel has done for 75 years to mere reaction to that. you may not believe that hamas is not killing civilians on purpose and i cannot change that, but that does not change reality.

we have seen just war crimes over war crimes from israel just for the past few days. this is on top of decades of apartheid.

i could accept death for myself, too. but not for my daughter.

good that he went the open source route, but he could give gdscript a chance, it would far more easier than rust.

you would have the ability? how?

so tell me then, how would you behave if you were a palestinian? just accept death?

how are they similar atrocities?

did hamas lock 2.5 million people in the worlds most dense open air prison?

did hamas systematically crushed their buildings and not let concrete inside?

did hamas shoot little kids just for throwing rocks?

did hamas systematically murdered press, medics on the field?

did hamas control israelis food intake?

did hamas very deliberately snipe the knees of people peacefully protesting?

did hamas cut electricity, water, food?

did hamas bombed places that palestinian prisoners stayed?

did hamas tell people to leave the city and bomb the only way out?

what did hamas do? the only thing left to do when you do all of those things to a people.

is that zelensky on the left?