andobando

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[–] andobando 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Oh one more example.

Tinder advertised a ton globally with the message of "Single, Not Sorry". Does Tinder know if being single is actually good for everyone? Is this a message you'd blatantly tell all your friends without knowing them? If there was a study saying this was harmful, would they care enough, cut back and tell people to use the app less/more considerably? No because like I said, if it interferes with profits, these kind of considerations will never be talked about.

Few other things. We released a feature where you pay $3 to see if someone responded to you, and the other user would know. Clearly you're fucking yourself over doing that but they don't care. We released a feature where you can see if someone is online, because it increases engagement.

You'd never see shit like this in any organization or community run by people.

[–] andobando 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

There is nothing explicitly sinister there. I liked everyone there, everyone was really nice. In a sense that highlights the issue that this is an inherent problem with corporations. No one was explicitly trying to do harm, in fact people were trying to do good in terms of bringing saftey for women, advertising for racial/trans equality, etc. The problem I see is everyone is so focused on growing the platform and profits, that no one is thinking about what theyre doing wrong.

There are no explicit algorithmic tricks either, and there doesnt even need to be. The matching algorithm is actually dead on simple. But because the core metrics are profits and user engagement, even the corp running random experiments will end up naturally turning the platform more and more into a cash cow, with no regard or care as to what its doing to people.

What I mean is there doesn't need to be a room full of people thinking about how to exploit peoples psychology to use the app more, just the fact that the core goal of the whole organization is to make money, any actions it takes will naturally lead to that. If there's ever a compromise between humane values or profits, it will be profits.

[–] andobando 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I dont understand this part either. Should just be a single login across the whole fediverse

[–] andobando 2 points 2 years ago

No worries, criticism isn't bad anyhow. I do get what you mean, it makes sense.

[–] andobando 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

Which one? And how was your experience?

Tinder. It was and probably still is, a great place to work. One day at the height of BLM, someone posted an article how another one of Match's companies was removing ethnicity filters in their app to keep out racists. I said wait, who are we to making these kind of societal decisions? Why are we removing users personal decisions because we don't like it? It turned out into a huge argument but it got me really thinking. Were not philosophers, sociologists, etc. Its a couple people from a very certain background making decisions that affect millions of people globally. Who are we to decide?

Then I thought about the fact that these kind of decisions were not even made for ethical reasons (which I don't even trust them to get correct), but were fueled entirely by money. Every single decision was entirely based on how much money it earns Tinder, with zero regard as to how it affects its users, in a very personal and important aspect of their lives. All the KPIs were money, internal projects called "Project Whale", zero discussions on relationships, experiments to get users addicted to the app as possible, etc.

If there ever was a decision that would help people but would compromise profits, profits will win, and if there ever is a concern that a decision is hurting users, it wont ever enter into the discussion.

Reddit, facebook, Tinder, Twitter, etc is all the same in this regard. Corporate tech is a terrible future.

[–] andobando 6 points 2 years ago

Agree completely. I was thinking about keeping the upvote/downvote but just using them for content ranking, but hide the actual scores in the UI. Then its up the instances to decide if they want to show it or not.

[–] andobando 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Also me lol. Something about the fediverse attracts the commies

[–] andobando 17 points 2 years ago

Whats the matter professor? Nothings the matter fry, now that I turbocharged the matter compressor

[–] andobando 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

True though you can always post from a new account. If I had a long post history on reddit Id avoid too personal stuff because there was too much identifiable information already

[–] andobando 5 points 2 years ago

Thats true, my guess is instances end up being more specialized. Instead of every instance trying to be reddit, an instance becomes a gaming community, another a movies and tv shows, etc

[–] andobando 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

Absolutely. And as much as I am saying this, I would love to see a proven alternative to massive corporate tech. I worked at one of these companies before, and I despise the them with a passion

[–] andobando 0 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Really? I had my reddit account for 10 years, I dont think a single person remembers/recognizes my "identity". With smaller communities people actually knew eachother. Your name actually meant something.

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