JaYani

Okay, sure. But again, then what? A violent revolution is a method, not a goal. And even then, like I said in response to mydude above. If one starts a war, one should better be prepared to win it. Are we prepared? The fascists are going to go full force in response to any insurrection. Do we have anything in response?

Then who is the left? Twitter Marxists? Anarchist Telegram groups? I'm not trying to be offensive or contrarian, i'm just trying to get at what exactly we're supposed to do. Like I said, at every point in time there were policy decisions to be made that were more left and served an agenda that would serve humanity more than other policy decisions. There were candidates within a party that were more left than others who could have been supported.

This remains true today, i'm principally against defeatism, but it was even more true from 2011-2023. But leftism failed, clearly. We had an opportunity to shift more left, instead we shifted right. The convenient reaction to this fact could be to become conspiratorial and blame liberals who are in lieu with fascists. But the fact is that liberals are simply opportunists. They're not fascists, but they can be bought by fascists. So did we fail to buy the liberals? Is state politics doomed from the start? And if so, then what?

This is what i'm getting at. Blame games are useless.

Sure, it's a way. But if one fights a war, they should better be prepared to win. The outpouring of support for Luigi when he was trying to evade the state was touching, but also ineffective right? I mean, he was caught. In a mcDonalds. In a better world, he would have had a safehouse to go to and comrades to bring McDonalds to him.

Sure, the state has a tendency towards liberalism. But the state and it's parties (such as the US Democrats) aren't a monolith. There are genuine leftists within the democrat party. Whether those had much direct political influence is another story, but nonetheless my point stands that leftists had much momentum and positions within the government.

I don't wish to attack you, but quite frankly it's this totalizing dismissal of political process that is a large part of leftist failure, in my opinion. Leftists being overly quick to judge something or someone as having failed the moral purity test of leftism and then the whole organization is similarly totalized as not really left. Which just in effect leads to any leftist organizing efforts to eat itself in a circle of purity tests. I am european, german to be exact. The governing party was CDU for the longest time with a chancelor that was more left relative to the rest of her party. Then social democrats, greens and liberals joined a coalition and failed spectacularly. Not unsurprisingly due to inter-governmental infighting.

Do you really think a more effective approach is to just 'be more left' when finding consensus within the left seems all but impossible no matter where in the left spectrum one finds themselves in?