GuilhermePelayo

Oh that makes sense. The sad thing is that I feel like most people would find signal less cluttered than Whatsapp

I'm with you on that. I feel like open source is the best possible way to security audit and test issues. As any issue will be out there to see, most proprietary code ends ups being years of duct tape which wouldn't fly if a large community of different backgrounds took a look at the code

Damn you know some cultured people. I can't get anyone to leave Whatsapp for it. Even when I mention how ugly it is and how shady it is for it to be owned by Facebook

Make a T-shirt with that

Thank you for that, I wasn't aware that was a thing! I'll bookmark that to read later as it seems a bit long! I didn't even know melting currencies were a thing

If there was ever a good reason for pre sales I think that's that. The problem I see with start up hubs college based is that they are limited in terms of help and mostly lead to companies falling into VCs hands. At least in my country. I think the most "anarchist" way of doing it may be just crowdsourcing mostly because it's the potential clients that actually fund the venture. I think it's probably a pain mostly because it turns into a marketing campaign but at least the funding is honest. No VCs, no angel investment, no quarterly projections. A company could actually aim to be sustainable instead of infinite growth based.

Yes but it's tough to imagine a path to that.

Fair enough. Degrowth from capitalism to market economy is more of an obtainable goal

That's a good point. Capital is surplus value which can have multiple forms. I see what you mean creativity and I agree. If the whole could think like this we could start to build something like a post capitalist society without actual parting with capital. Thank you for your comment!

If I may enter the discussion. I think it's very very hard but may be possible. Let's say people only buy new things when it's something they need and the things itself should work for a long time, like generations. It reduces consumerism, things would only be replaced if something greatly superior appeared. Some things would still be bought so there is still some capitalism but wouldnt be focused on mindless spending in junk. Things would be more expensive but overall we'd have better things.

Cool comment

I think I see your point. Getting investment from the parties directly affected makes sense and would also create a sustainable business model as it proves the need for it. It could also create some synergy if the created business is also a co-op itself that may in turn eventually do the same for something else. Basically investment without rent seeking.