Grapetruth

I never said what you said pretty sure. But I edited it literally immediately. I meant that often only vegans can truly understand a topic about veganism, which makes perfect sense.

I said often only vegans can truly understand a vegan topic. And you're just proving my point. Would you think that only a Christian can truly understand Christian topics for example? Why should they not be allowed to speak to Christians? I'm seeking responses from vegans since this question is very much geared towards topics that only vegans really discuss. That should be perfectly fine.

And of course I'm not going into carnivore communities and trolling. But you're clearly coming into this vegan community and trolling for some reason.

Finally, as the numbers of vegans increase on this platform, there won't be as much pushback from non-vegans whenever a vegan says something on a vegan community, as you can see on the Reddit vegan community that is well-established.

Now please kindly read the question that I'm here to talk to vegans, not non-vegans. This is question seeking a vegan's perspective.

That seems reasonable. We want a vegan community of actual vegans to communicate about topics with. Likewise "carnivore" dieters (I wasn't aware there was a presence of them on Lemmy) probably want actual carnivore dieters to talk to. I don't see the problem with this. If I ask a question directed toward vegans and all I get is responses from non-vegans, it defeats the purpose of my question. Only vegans can truly understand where you're coming from about certain things to do with vegan topics. Guessing you're not vegan based on your phrasing.

Well primarily vegans don't eat honey because it's a form of exploitation of animals (bees). This can carry ethical as well as environmental issues.

This goes into some of the reasons why vegans typically avoid honey:

https://www.careelite.de/en/why-vegans-dont-eat-honey/

TL;DR:

▪︎ Bees make the honey for themselves ▪︎ Honey production is exhausting ▪︎ We manipulate the animals for the honey ▪︎ Honey bees are exploited in mass breeding ▪︎ Bees are injured and die ▪︎ Honey is not particularly healthy ▪︎ There are plant-based alternatives ▪︎ Wild bees are important for biodiversity ▪︎ Bees are living beings and not commodities ▪︎ Wild bees are essential for the survival of us humans

And here is the Vegan Society's page on honey:

https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/why-go-vegan/honey-industry

Hope that helped :)

Well that's simply not true, I actually counted the practices I referenced and at least 14 out of 19 are standard practice in just about every dairy operation, are unavoidable on a large scale, and the other ones are extremely common as well. Also, thinking "the west" is better for animals is really misguided, since the US, Australia and the UK have some of the worst animal welfare standards in the world, and for example 99% of animal products come from factory farmed animals in the US. While more streamlined in developed countries, by all accounts, other countries aren't quite as cruel toward animals as most western countries. This does have a lot to do with the fact that wealthier nations consume a lot more animal products than poorer nations on average. Take that as what you will. I'm not trying to point fingers at specific countries since every country in the world treats animals terribly in farming systems, and it couldn't be any other way while we as a society are all consuming these products that need to be mass produced for a (rapidly increasing) human population.

I reacted to your comment because it was the first and only comment I saw that supported using milk. I only said I'm not a robot to explain that by my human nature, I didn't read every comment, and I only have a limited amount of time that I would spend on social media like this in general, let alone this specific comments section. And also, making the point once is probably enough for a lot of people to see it. My goal was achieved already. I'm sorry to single you out, or if you felt that was unfair. Rest assured, I blame everyone for supporting animal agriculture equally.

Nice false appeal to hypocrisy to deflect away from the issue of animal exploitation, and blatant whataboutism. 2 wrongs don't make a right. That's a terrible argument.

"Hey, stop beating kids!"

"BuT I sAw yOu UsInG a SmArTpHoNe!"

So as per your own admission (pretty much any device you could be using), that's essentially unavoidable in the current world we live in if you want to be a functional person. Are animal products avoidable? Yes.

That said, I bought my phone second hand from someone who doesn't have an incentive or means to sell more. So I did not financially support any of the practices involved in the production. And only once it breaks down completely, my next phone will be a Fairphone, which is essentially the only ethical phone and didn't exist when I got my current phone. What's your next argument? Oh wait, all the arguments against veganism/defending animal exploitation are just bad faith, rubbish attempts to avoid addressing your own behaviour anyway.

Am I a robot? No, I'm not going to reply on every comment. I guess you care more about nonsense arguments than animals, the planet and your health.

Oh I see, cheese is very addictive after all (casein turns into casomorphin in the body, which has an opioid effect). Just wondering, have you tried vegan/plant-based cheese? I love it. Does the same job as cheese for me, though I don't have it that much.

I personally decided that the ethical and environmental problems, in addition to the health impacts, of animal derived cheese/dairy weren't worth purchasing and consuming it. But luckily we have products that taste exactly the same, lol.

I respect that but it's still difficult for me to see what everyone else is doing to animals, and that's even if I don't get any rude comments from people because of my vegan (plant-based) food.

Any way forgive me but I feel like every vegetarian deserves to know the truth about the dairy industry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI

And here's a good video about why I don't eat eggs either: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YFz99OT18k

Happy thanksgiving :)