CerealKiller01

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[–] CerealKiller01 1 points 1 year ago

Good questions, thought I don't have answers. Frankly, it's just that the way you described the situation reminded me of a guy at my work and some things I read somewhere. Otherwise, I have no idea what I'm talking about (hell, I was even fuzzy on the terms), so all I can do is say: maybe you should look into it?

[–] CerealKiller01 11 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I'm going to offer some practical advice that might help, but first there are also a few things I'd like to point out.

First of all, from reading your question and some replies in the thread - Is there any chance you might be neurodivergent (I think that's the "proper" term. I mean what's been known as low end autism or asperger)?  Neurodivergent people have trouble understanding social cues/norms,and might have issues understanding why people act/react the way they do.

This is meant as a general observation that might be beneficial to understand the gap between you and other people, not as a judgment or way to imply there's something wrong with you.

The second thing - the division between introverts and extroverts is kinda false. In reality, it's like height - there are tall and short people, but most people are of generally average height. Like height, most people are towards the middle. You are probably on the end of the bell curve of extrovert-introvert. That's something you need to understand. This also doesn't mean there's something wrong with you, but right now it looks like you're acting like a 2.2 meter tall person who thinks everyone below 2 meters is short. Yes, society is built for people who are of mostly average "sociality". Just like it's built for people of mostly average height, and tall people might have issues finding clothes or having enough leg room in their car.

Most people expect some level of sociality with their co-workers. They aren't necessary attention seekers or "extroverts". That's just the way their brains are wired. When they don't get that social interaction, they will look for an explanation - Did they say something to offend you? Are you busy? In a bad mood? A standoffish person? Maybe you're just shy, and they should initiate more interaction to make you more comfortable?

So, what you want to do is to answer those unasked questions in terms they can understand and without offending them. Imagine you've accidentally bumped into someone while walking. You'll say something like "Oh, I'm so sorry for bumping into you, I was in a hurry. Are you alright? OK, sorry, again, have to run".

If someone asks "How was your weekend?", give a bland answer like "Oh, it was good/fine/ok", then say "Sorry, I don't mean to sound rude, but there's a ton of stuff I need to get done" Say this in a tone like you're apologizing for accidentally bumping into them. Then say "But look, if you'd like some help/advice/to tell me something about that [work related thing we have], I'd be happy to". For most people, this conveys the message that (a) you're trying to focus on work, (b) you really don't mean to offend them and (c) you'd be happy to talk to them about work related stuff. Some people might ask you again next week. Give the same answer. Most of them will figure out you're just always busy working and stop bothering you.

Two more things:

  1. Do try and offer help in work related things once in a while - "Hey, I heard [work thing] is giving you trouble. I've actually had the same issue and would be happy to help". This conveys you're approachable on work-related things, and will make people more inclined to help you when needed.

  2. Walk fast and with a purpose. This serves a dual objective - to better convey that you're always busy, and minimize interactions. The only question you'll get is "why are you walking so fast?" or whatever. This can be handled by saying something casual like "you call this fast?", "ah, you know how it is..." etc. without slowing down more than necessary.

[–] CerealKiller01 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Andromeda really picks up in season 2. Not a amazing, but it's very good.

[–] CerealKiller01 2 points 1 year ago

Didn't see Sorry About the Demon, but "campy horror movies that typically have 5 or below on IMDb" makes my brain scream Dark Angel: The Ascent and Modern Vampires.

[–] CerealKiller01 -2 points 1 year ago

The IDF once traded 1000 prisoners for 1 IDF soldier, what makes you think they will not kill 10000 children if it means it saves 1 soldier?

Because... the moral considerations in both cases are completely different...? How is this even a question?

That's like saying "He once bought a car for $50,000, what makes you think he won't steal $500,000 if it meant getting a Tesla?"

[–] CerealKiller01 7 points 1 year ago

No, he's not.

Also, he's barred from being a minister as per Israeli's supreme court ruling (exactly because he's been convicted with fraud multiple times), so I highly doubt he could be appointed to the war cabinet even in theory.

One could argue that the ultra orthodox parties are active behind the scenes, but there's no indication of that anywhere. Israel has free press, so this type of thing would probably come out as rumors at the very least (By contrast, there were reports he was the de-facto minister of social services after the supreme court ruling).

Not to diminish the political power they hold, but in this specific case there isn't any indication they exert said power.

[–] CerealKiller01 4 points 1 year ago

No, I take offense to comparing Israel to Apartheid South Africa because it's dumb. Not even saying it's wrong, it's just a dumb comparison.

Read again what the person you replied to said - it's basically "I don't have any information about Israel that's relevant to the question, but I'll just go ahead and assume Israel and Apartheid South Africa are the same thing and reply based on that. This will show Israel and Apartheid South Africa have a lot in common".

[–] CerealKiller01 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's a great insight into Israeli society.

The answer to your question is a resounding "yes".

In fact, among the 4 members of war cabinet, at least one other has children in active combat units, and ALL cabinet members served in a combat unit as well as had at least one child in active combat duty.

Most children of Israeli politicians are absolutely conscripted to the army, and the public would look very badly on a "fortunate son" type situation.

Furthermore, there's an unwritten rule the ultra-orthodox parties do not involve themselves or even voice an opinion on military matters because, and this something often said in Israel, "they don't risk their children's life in the army" (the ultra-orthodox are essentially exempt from conscription).

The Israeli Jewish public doesn't see the Israeli combatants as poor or uneducated "others", but as their children, brothers and fathers.

I think that's a more ethical way of looking at it. However, this also helps explain the seeming lack of consideration for Palestinian life. Take a random person and ask him to choose between risking the life of his kid, who is in active service, in a military operation or throwing bombs and risking harming other civilians. Most people will choose to risk others. And among those who'll choose to risk their kid, most would either be lying or didn't really think about the question.

[–] CerealKiller01 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So about that Amnesty report...?

Anyway, after calling me a "cartoon villain Nazi" I don't really think this discussion can go anywhere. so I'll go a bit off-topic and say something other readers might find interesting:

About a month ago, I spoke with a Palestinian work-buddy (yes, Palestinian Israelis work with Israeli Jews. In the the same jobs and with the same pay. Apartheid).

I asked him how he's doing, as he's not only living in Israel (and therefor a missile can hit his family as well as mine. Yet another area where Palestinian-Israelis and Jewish-Israelis are no different), he has the added bonus of fearing some psycho Jewish supremacist attacking him. He mentioned that the police are monitoring social media, and summoning for investigation Israeli-Palestinian influences who show support for Hamas, threaten them with charges and release them. Me, a ~~cartoon villain Nazi~~ bleeding heart liberal: "wow, I don't think anyone in their right mind should support Hamas, but summoning people and releasing them without charges just to threaten them... yeah, that's rough".

He replied "No, you don't understand, that wasn't a criticism. I'm saying that's a good thing. If that'll help stop a replay of two years ago [social networks played a large part in encouraging Palestinians to riot. The riots caused a surge in anti-Palestinian violence among Jews], I'm all for it" . I'm still not sure how I feel about that.

Not saying every Palestinian is like him and every Jew is like me. Just... yeah, it's complicated.

[–] CerealKiller01 2 points 1 year ago

On what basis?

Again, I didn't see any Israeli source referring to them as "combatants".

[–] CerealKiller01 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

State security - OTHER is indeed not a real charge at all.

What does that mean? It appears in the Israeli law, so it's as "real" as any other charge. You could say it's not a justifiable charge, but that wasn't her claim. She didn't say "I was arrested for an unjustifiable charge", rather "I was arrested without charge".

The word espionage exists as a charge, it is not in her charge.

I think that's like saying "The word Murder exists as a charge, it is not in her charge" when talking about homicide. Not sure though.

Jailing someone for even 3 months without process is completely insane

Not "without process", "without trail". It's not uncommon for prisoners being held 3 months only to have the charges dropped (regardless of nationality).

Afterwards you go on a journey dismissing this heinous court system as okay

"what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence". Not saying there aren't any issues with the way Palestinians are treated in the Israeli court system, but you made some specific claims that I disagree with, and didn't give any evidence.

Don’t look up the Amnesty report damming Israel for killing their hostages without process in jail.

Sorry, but I actually did try to look it up, and wasn't able to. Could you please link to it?

The closet thing I was able to find is this, which refers to Palestinian prisoners as, well, prisoners. So even if it's not the right report, it would seem Amnesty themselves don't refer to Palestinian prisoners as "hostages". Could we at least agree on that?

BTW, I didn't read through the full report, but I find myself agreeing to most of the thing said (most weren't news to me).

I'm not trying to say Israel did nothing wrong. Israel has done PLENTY of immoral things, and is currently doing plenty of immoral things. I'm saying that Israel isn't some devil that wants to kill all Palestinians, and has zero regard for their lives (though some Israeli are). It's extremely complicated.

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