Candelestine

The Cold War never actually did end, did it? The communist government fell, but the threat didn't.

At any rate, there's a robust defense against this sort of strategy--strength in numbers. Go ahead, try to poison all of us.

I was thinking more OAN, but yeah, that's probably its final form.

Eh, that's conspiracy theory nonsense. If Bernie wanted to run, he could run. He just doesn't want to. There's no behind-the-scenes political party machine that is forcing him not to run. Nor did they prevent him from running in the past, they just tried to hurt his chances.

He still ran though, and ran strong.

I think sanctions are the exact answer, that's reasonable.

If all your BDS is aimed at the US and Europe though, you're not actually stopping Israel. You're just attacking the west. Which is fine, people can support that if they want. But it's not saving Gazans unless you're pressuring other Israeli trading partners too.

We're actually doing something to save Gazan lives, even if it's behind-the-scenes, and complicated. Not just empty words in the UN, which implemented sanctions against South Africa, I'll remind you, not some empty, toothless "please end apartheid, k thx bye".

I just believe in results, and I don't fall for empty political stunts under the guise of "first steps". Netanyahu believes in power. So, power is what needs to be used against him. Economic leverage should be enough. Empty words and "first steps" are crap though. Bullshit. Hogwash. Political stunts to fool people, from the same countries that refuse to accept Palestinian refugees. We do accept some, by the way, barely any at all, but at least we take some.

Israel is totally dependent on American and European aid and investment.

That seems to be the central point your argument hinges on. Any actual evidence for that? Because they trade with more than just the US and Europe. India and Israel have ties, just as one example. They also have domestic military manufacturing and a robust tech industry. Their tanks are not our Abrams for instance, they use their own, called Merkavas.

Otherwise your belief that the US can just make them stop seems to be based on just a hunch, or maybe something someone told you, or wishful thinking or something. I don't see the reality of it, beyond what certain propagandists say.

I blame Israel because they're the ones doing the killing. People like to point at us "enabling them", and don't get me wrong, I do not approve of the weapon shipments anymore. However, I am aware that if we cut them off, or if we passed the UN resolutions, the killing would not stop.

You do not need thousand pound bombs and 155mm artillery ammo to kill civilians, there are many, many ways to do that, most being even more brutal and indiscriminate.

The UN resolutions so far have been empty words. They "call for" a ceasefire, without actually putting anything in place to force one. Netanyahu is not going to listen to UN finger-wagging, so these would decrease what little leverage we have over Netanyahu without stopping the killing.

All the proposed "solutions" so far would simply remove US culpability, we would be less guilty. However, they would not actually save Gazan lives. Only an actual, enforced cease fire can do that. For that, you have to convince Netanyahu to stop. Somehow. Any ideas on how to actually do that?

Let's not forget social media companies and their algorithms that take advantage of human psychology to drive profits. Not helping.

No, actually I'm going to blame Israel, and specifically Netanyahu and his settler and genocidal fans.

Biden is between a rock and a hard place, no answer he chooses is actually ideal. That just happens sometimes in real life, which is not always easy. Sometimes every answer has some bad consequences.

Why do articles keep pointing the blame "at democrats" like we in the party have some kind of magical control over this?

We can only vote for the motherfuckers that run. If you run, we can vote for you. If you don't run, we can't vote for you. So, who are we supposed to pick?

Dean Philips, the guy that talks about appeasing republicans? No. Just, fuck no.

You, you on the other side of the screen, you should run for office. Then we might have more options.

I mean, you could just send a drone, that's probably cheaper and better for the environment. But I guess it's something interesting for a pilot to do. Gotta stay sharp.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Once you radicalize someone, it's not always so easy to bring them back. They can just migrate to even more hardcore Russian propaganda outlets.

Not my job to agree with people.