BlitzoTheOisSilent

No, the Democrats let their base get rallied by the Republicans, I don't blame the voters at all.

And you're acting like people voted for Trump instead of Kamala, when it seems more like a lot of people who would have voted Kamala stayed home. And that's thanks to the Democrats running a centrist platform that didn't inspire anyone, Biden being a centrist Status-Quo democrat for four years, ignoring the Palestinian Protest Votes during the primaries, refusing to let any Palestinians speak at the DNC but allowing numerous Republicans to, while their best piece of policy to the average American was, "Hey, we're not Trump."

I voted Harris, btw, but not because I liked her particularly much, and I think that's a big part of it. Democrats don't listen to their constituents, so their constituents stay home due to apathy. That's on the DNC, not the voters.

So, her failing to be more popular than fascism is the fault of the voting base... Makes sense.

Tell me again how you fail to clear that bar, and how that's the voters fault?

then moving to the middle is the only logical option.

And Democrats will continue to lose because of this. Americans are tired of progress not happening, so I have to disagree with you.

Democrats needed to rally the country and get them excited behind a progressive candidate actually willing to reflect their constituency. But they won't, because that's somehow considered radical by Democrats.

The Democrats keep trying this middle-of-the-road status quo bullshit, and they keep losing. So maybe middle of the road isn't the play anymore.

What the fuck happened?

Four years of a milquetoast, centrist Democrat telling the American people what they're living isn't the actual reality of the situation. Biden's admin kept rolling out the "soft landing, economy is doing great," schtick despite numerous news outlets reporting Americans don't feel like it's an economy working for them.

Then that Democrat finally stepping aside, too late for his constituents to have a say in who they want representing them. And then she ran on a centrist, return-to-the-status-quo platform that didn't inspire the majority of Americans, who are so apathetic based on decades of being ignored by politicians they just don't vote. Because what's the point?

I get it, everyone is upset that Trump won (including myself). But the voters are not solely to blame here.

Democrats put forward a candidate who lost to fascism. What does that say about your policies, your messaging, how the voters feel about you when you tell them "You have to vote for me because I'm not the other guy!"

Y'all need to accept that 1. The Democrats can grasp defeat from the jaws of victory like no one else, and 2. The American people want change, they want progress, they have had enough of the status quo system that isn't working for them anymore.

They spent the last four years living under Biden, and despite all the screeching about how well the economy was doing, Americans don't feel it. And instead of addressing that, or doing anything about it, Biden and the Democrat establishment would just point the finger at Republicans and say, "No, no, they're worse, trust us, they're worse, they're worse."

They've spent a year telling Americans, despite everything they're seeing and hearing from Palestine, that Israel needs this unconditional support, while the world votes to hold Israel accountable and the US vetos it, under a Democrat administration. Multiple times, while refusing to let any Palestinians on stage at the DNC to speak, but parading Republican after Republican because they finished licking Trump's ass and decided to give Kamala's a go. Arab and Muslim Americans organized a protest vote, over 100,000 strong in Michigan alone (which she's projected to lose, btw), and the Democrats sent Bill Clinton to lecture them on how Israel is only doing what's necessary to defend themselves.

So we've had four years of milquetoast progress at best from a candidate the Democrat's constituency already didn't like. He dropped out but didn't leave enough time for a new primary, so the Democrat Party pushed Kamala on us, and then had her run on a centrist, return-to-the-status-quo platform, while refusing to take any meaningful stand on Palestine, with their biggest policy being, "Hey, you have to vote for us because we're not fascist."

If the American people, people in general, don't feel like they're being represented, why would the feel like voting? This is a failure on the Democrats, 100%, for running platform policies and candidates that don't drive people to the polls. Say what you want about Trump, and there's plenty to say about the absolute piece of shit of a human being he is.

But he makes his voters feel listened to and heard, and Democrats may consider it regression, but Republicans get their policies done, and they show progress to their constituents. Democrats get nothing done, usually due to Republican fuckery, but the Republicans don't face similar fuckery, so the average voter doesn't care, they just see one wide getting their agenda accomplished and the other not.

So now I pose this question to you, and I'm genuinely asking, this isn't an "I gotcha, I am so smart!"

If a person doesn't feel represented by their government regardless of who's in power, and your life doesn't drastically improve under either candidate, well... What difference does it make which form of government is fucking you over?

Or maybe, like they normally do, the Democrats failed to rally their base to vote, or didn't give them enough incentive to get out and vote.

Biden had 4 years to make meaningful progress for the American people, and whether or not he did is irrelevant because Americans don't feel better off than 4 years ago. Democrats spent the last year screaming about the economy doing amazing, while ignoring all of the polls showing Americans don't feel that way.

Democrats spent the last year sending weapons shipment after weapons shipment to Israel to bomb Palestinian children, despite polls showing the majority of Americans wanted contingencies on the shipments. And the Democrats instead lectured their constituents about how what they're seeing and hearing isn't actually what it is, and it'll be worse with the other guy!

Democrats spent the last 4 years doing nothing but try to return to the same status quo that isn't working for the average American anymore. Biden's hubris took the decision out of the people's hands, and we were given a candidate we didn't choose and told to shut up and like it because "fAsCiSm."

Well, congratulations Democrat Party, we fell to fascism because that's obviously a better alternative than actually putting forward progressive policies. And whether you like to hear it or not, the Republican voter supporting this fascist movement is doing so because they want change in this country too.

Only difference being, the Republicans are actually "progressing" their party along like their constituents want. Maybe the Democrats should try listening to their constituents for once and, idk, see if that maybe works in their favor for once?

Harris played it safe and it looks like she's going to lose anyway, so maybe she should've considered more progressive ideas. Or maybe listened to her constituents instead of doing what Democrats always fucking do, and playing off the "you have to vote for us because we're not them."

But no, let's blame the voters for a candidate failing to win them over.

If Trump wins, there is no one to blame but Harris and the Democrats, full stop. If we fall to fascism, which I hope we don't (I already begrudgingly voted Harris this morning), I will blame no one but the Democrat Party.

They chose to ignore the Muslim/Arab voices protesting this past year, they chose to run on a moderate presidential platform, and they refuse to denounce a genocide, or even do anything about it (Biden is still president, and has continued to do nothing but send Netanyahu whatever he wants).

You all want Muslim/Arab voters to vote for Harris to prevent fascism, well, they wanted you all to take their wants seriously, and Biden/Harris haven't.

So if they lose, it's on the Democrat party, not anyone else.

Right? Like, if you ignore literally everything up to when he finally grabs the older woman and throws her to his cohorts...

... Why did he kick that like? She was apprehended, your partners had her, she's old, and all she's doing is (I don't speak German) I assume calling you an asshole. He was pissed off and 100% tried to/kicked an old woman he had just manhandled.

Real courageous guy right there, must be so proud of himself while he's grooming that lip-caterpillar.

And his wife? How is she holding up?

Only thing I'll disagree with you here is the machinist comment. My dad's been a machinist for like 45 years now, same industry, same building.

He is constantly complaining to me that they can't find machinists, or even people who are willing to learn. I have zero machining experience, and he was trying to get me hired at one point, that's how desperate they were getting.

And it's not a bad company, to be clear, they're a government contractor, have very good benefits, competitive pay (he's even complained they've given guys with a year's experience multi-dollar raises to keep them), etc.

According to him, if you have mechanical aptitude and are willing to learn all of the intricacies of machining, you can and will make a decent salary for the rest of your life so long as you're willing to work.