Anon2971

This is a really good explanation for how defederation works.

I understand your point that Beehaw defederating from two subs for moderation and user management seems like an extreme reaction. But it's one I kind of expected from them given Beehaw's philosophies as as an instance.

Their detailed posts about what Beehaw is always made it very clear to me they think carefully about how they run their space and the users they want to grant access to. They really prioritise making their instance a safe space for well-meaning discussion through their vetted registrations.

I'm not an admin. I'm not an experienced Lemmy user. I'm not someone who has had experience moderating and being an admin on several communities before. They have and I've also seen activity on the Lemmy repo from them showing they have dev experience too.

As you pointed out, the entire site of 12k users is currently managed by 4 people who seem to have quite a lot of experience managing communities. That's a big workload. I've been using both Beehaw and Kbin since Reddit's awful API changes to see how both places grow and so far I've found Beehaw to be a very enjoyable experience with a pretty high engagement rate. I usually get hella upvotes and replies to anything I say. It does feel like a pretty active, close-knit place of well-meaning people even at this early stage. I think they're running Beehaw pretty well so far. Kbin is very solid too, but Beehaw I've found tends to have a deeper level of engagement and longer, more in-depth post styles that I prefer.

I know any instances with open registration could hop in and contribute to Beehaw, so this issue they have of not being able to vet and control users isn't unique to those two instances. But given so far the place to me as a user still feels the same as when I joined a few days ago more or less, I'm going to take them at their word that they're getting an influx of activity that isn't a particularly good fit for Beehaw for now. There's a lot of instances that could defederate from. 2 is not a huge number so far. Plus they did explicitly say at the end this is not a permanent decision, they may very well change their minds later on.

So personally, I respect and understand Beehaw's decision at this moment. Lets give things time and see how things develop. It's definitely a temporary, broad axe to cutting an apple type solution to their troll problem - which may very well continue as Lemmy gets more popularity as a platform overall - but I think they want to be specific about who they pull into their moderation team to ensure the vibe of Beehaw is maintained. Lets give it some time to see what happens.

I just raised a suggestion for this on the repo then stumbled across this post right after. Hopefully it can be implemented at some point.

I agree man. I don't think it'll make much of a difference. It's just a shame to see how rapidly the platform is dying overnight due to greed and I want to know as a long time user, at least I did everything I could on my part to protest it's changes. Onto greener pastures we go.

FYI - don't message /r/food. I had a brief browse and saw absolutely no posts whatsoever about the blackout. Very much business as usual as if nothing happened. So I messaged them, their response was "Thank you for your unsolicited message shitting on our protest." and banned me lol. So leave them to it. I was pretty careful to word my message maturely (the first paragraph said 'I hope I’m not coming off as unreasonable, but I do think it’s vitally important for this protest to continue for it to have any real impact.'), but I guess some just really can't live without their Reddit addiction.

Great explanation! Really well written and clearly explained. However...

Forgive my bluntness, but people not into tech tend to be lazy and stupid about everything lol. I feel like they'd take one glance at that, think TOO MUCH TEXT, not read it properly and still complain about the Fediverse being confusing.

Any kind of attempt at explaining the Fediverse seems to really confuse people, so IMO the best solution is to not even bring it up. Kinda dismiss it as no biggie, then sneak in a quick explanation at the end. Here's my go:

"If the word 'Fediverse' confuses or scares you, ignore it. Just join any Lemmy instance you like the look of. They all work more or less like Reddit. If you can't find a community/subreddit you want on one, make it yourself.

Or, alternatively, use this to see if one exists already. If it does, you can copy the community Lemmy address (it appears on the right in blue under the 'create a post' button in a form like '[email protected]'), search for it on your site's search, then subscribe like you would any other subreddit.

That cross-site subscribing is what the Fediverse is about - it's a bunch of small, independent Reddit-ish clones cross-talking. But since they're small, they're struggling and slightly breaking with Reddit refugees at the moment. I'd recommend local communities only for now. Join the commuities you find via Feddit in maybe a few weeks or so once everything's calmed down."

You're not missing anything. It's a bit of a design oversight. I requested updating the post links in the repo.

I've made a poll so we can decide. We could then add the most popular suggestion to the Codeberg repo. I'm personally leaning towards no self upvoting.

Update: Now we've had hella votes I've added a feature request to the repo.

Inevitable. He didn't write a lot, but you know someone's writing is special when most of their output is commonly talked about in all-time greatest American literature discussions. Rest in Power.

I'm here to stay. Even if Reddit reverse their API decision, they've made it abundantly clear their first priority is pleasing their shareholders. I don't want to use a platform that so blatantly ignores the wills of the community that caused it's popularity in the first place. It's a shame they've decided to die on the hill of temporarily pumping their potential IPO value via the API at the cost of what made Reddit special in the first place. They've already disintegrated the trust of a lot of hardcore Reddit users like myself overnight. It'll never be the same now they've shown how they really value their users.

At the same time, I'm really excited to see how the various alternative platforms develop. Spending time away from Reddit has made me realise its sheer size can be quite overwhelming and there were a lot of subreddits I followed that were more doom scrolling wastes of time. Going to these other, smaller platforms is taking me back to earlier Internet days in a good way where it feels like you're part of an engaged community rather than a nameless voice among hundreds of thousands. I've been finding the quality of discussion here refreshingly high and respectful so far.

It's honestly exciting being at the start of what feels like a new social media wave. I can't remember the last time a major social media platform went the way of the dodo and people had to start migrating to replacements. I'm finding it really enjoyable being on ground zero. Whatever platform ends up being the most popular, it's a pleasure to be talking with you all whilst we figure it out. :)

I guess this is the new Reddit! Time to kick our feet up.

I expected as much. 2 days is a pitiful protest length. I will not be using Reddit any longer whilst keeping an eye on updates from here and other news sites. I'm hoping this memo encourages all subreddits to protest idnefinitely until this assclown of a CEO is willing to negotiate lower API prices. And if he's not, onto greener pastures. And watching /r/wallstreetbets figure out a way to destroy their IPO when it eventually launches.

I'm absolutely loving how thoroughly The Verge is covering this story. No other tech news site seems to be updating this situation so frequently and with such a supportive tone.

Yeah same here. This feels like a somewhat key usability feature. I'll see if there's a way I can pass this feature suggestion onto the developer.

Update: Probably best to add feature requests to the kbin repo.