Amicchan

Ghost of Faso creator

I think the saddest part about that community are that some of the frequent posters are

1. mentally ill
2. have been convinced to stop taking medication by it

That's sad to you? So you just want people under a label to get drugged? and you think it's bad for people to quit drugs that don't help anyone.

it is why we should wash our hands of it and instead provide marxist critiques of the structure of capitalist/neo-liberal psychology and how it is manipulated; which are far more valuable.

It is the lazy critique to figure the above out then decide to completely throw out the field, but it is a trap and it captures the mentally ill looking for easy answers.

Yeah. We need a marxist view of Psychiatry; otherwise, we're shooting in the dark.

There's a book that attempts to critique Psychiatry through marxism: Psychiatric Hegemony: A Marxist Theory of Mental Illness. (I haven't read into it; just found it through Mad in America.)

But it is counter-productive, in my opinion. There lies real critique of it, they just lack the methodology needed to arrive at the right results; which is not anti-medication but anti-private interest funding (Nationalisation) and also of course, removing the upper class capital pigs from rule.

And how do you know this? You're claiming that Psychiatry is a science without even reading into the Anti-Psychiatry movement.

Anti-medication?! Anti-psychiatry was never anti-medication; they are against forceful and manipulative drugging.

Sure, I just wouldnt conflate industrial private healthcare with the actual science, which is still there under the surface.

Its exploitative and dishonest how they utilize it but the root of the issues arent the discipline itself, just the economic system underpinning it that is exploiting it.

How do you know this? Prove it.

Communist countries

Socialist* countries. No country can have communism because of the existence of capitalism.

Cuba routinely employes psychatrists.

How does this change anything?

The problem isnt the profession, its capitalism.

It's both really.

Edit: I should add its what my issues with the anti-psych community are, they are baseleslly attacking the actual undisputed science with bad faith arguements instead of engaging in actual ideological analysis (marxism, femminism what have you)

Psychiatry isn't a science. The whole field is based on the idea of mental disorders; which haven't been fact checked by science and all lack objective analysis.

I would like to add that they keep posting ableist articles that claim well-researched and documented mental illnesses or disabilities aren’t real by attacking their “scientific basis”.

What's your proof of this? ADHD and Autism don't even require any objective analysis. Go read the DSM-5 and ICD-11 if you don't believe me.^[The DSM-5.]

• Studies on Autism and ADHD also try to use the twin study method in families.
• Studies still fail to identify genes for Autism and ADHD.

I have been removing those posts for the obvious reason, but I'm fed up with having to. Lemmygrad isn't a place to post ableism freely, just because some people in the medical field are greedy.

What?! Showing psuedoscientific labels for what they are isn't ableist. It's liberating people from being harmed by pseudoscientific abusers.

Good grief here we go again.

So after seeing this play out recently https://lemmygrad.ml/post/367002/comment/275850 where the community seemed to be posting articles without even bothering to read the content (the study literally had a pro-SSRI arguement in the abstract...) I decided to give the community a bit more of a whirl and see if they had anything of substance to share.

Yeah I somehow missed that. Sorry and I apologize.

Also that was no community; I posted that article.

Why is Joanna Moncrieff significant?

Because she's part of the study that disproved the Chemical Imbalance theory in Major Depression Disorder.^[Moncrieff, J., Cooper, R.E., Stockmann, T. et al. The serotonin theory of depression: a systematic umbrella review of the evidence. Mol Psychiatry (2022).] The one that is extremely popular.

The issue with this is that this link is not new, it was proven 30 years ago.

What's your proof for this?

We still know that they do work, we just dont know why.

How do you know that they work? Major Depression Disorder doesn't require any objective analysis; so the designation of MDD is based on subjective analysis.

A helpfull anology would be with gravity; if we found a new variable that better explained something to do with it, it would not invalidate all previous laws; just improve them because we would now more understand that we dont fully understand the issue, and we can now try to take another guess as to why it works. To conclude this point she is grifting because she is presenting this information as something new, fully knowing it is not.

That's because gravity is in the material world.

Likely hoping to lure in people who have been failed by the medical system because of neo-liberalism and exploit them for profit. It is a symptom of neo-liberalism and is class exploitation at its worst, as it tends to hit the disabled.

Lure?! This is quite accusatory.

Tens of thousands of studies have been done on the efficiecy of psychatric help in regards to SSRIs that are all peer reviewed and used scientific methods such as control groups and such.

Those same studies don't study the effects of antidepressants beyond the short-term.

Have you read into those studies? They don't study antidepressants in the long-term; that's how companies get away with saying that antidepressants work.

Also, Major Depression Disorder requires no objective analysis, so how are we supposed to discern it from regular people?

Here's a prolewiki link on Psychiatry.

Holy shit the (psychiatric) abuse apologia!

Wait I'm not getting something…

Solution: PeerTube