Was halt haargenau passiert ist ist folgendes: (Mindestens) Oberkörperfreie Geiseln haben weiße Fahne geschwenkt. Soldat sieht sie und schreit „Terroristen“ und sofort öffnen mehrere Soldaten das Feuer. Als einer der Soldaten überlebt, flieht und auf Hebräisch nach Hilfe ruft, schießen die Soldaten weiter um ihm den Rest zu geben.
Netanyahu persönlich hat den Vorfall als unglaubliche Tragödie bezeichnet. Was gibt’s da noch zu rechtfertigen?
Was gibt’s denn dazu noch zu sagen? Eine Geisel konnte vor den Soldaten fliehen und wurde dann trotzdem im Nachhinein erschossen. Hier wird nichtmal von offizieller Seite bezweifelt, dass dies falsch war.
Vermutlich passieren ähnliche Vorfälle immer wieder. Das ist für mich der eigentliche Skandal. Ein Menschenleben scheint in Gaza nichts wert zu sein. Diesmal kommt allerdings auch von israelischer Seite ein Aufschrei weil's die eigenen erwischt hat. So tragisch wie dieser Vorfall ist, vielleicht öffnet er ja wenigstens ein paar Leuten die Augen.
Lol vergleich doch einfach mal den Guardian mit der Zeit. Ganz andere Welt. Guardian ist sicherlich keine Lügenpresse und berichtet dennoch deutlich anders als deutsche Mainstream-Medien (und ja dann kann man traurigerweise verallgemeinern)
This seems to be a typical Hasbara account (the Israeli equivalent to Putin trolls).
They keep saying Gaza is not an open air prison. But would they agree to live there for a year like an average civilian?
Would they support the right of Palestine to exist? Would they support the Palestinian right to self determination as people? Do they think Palestinians should have the right to live in their homes?
The answer to all of these questions would be a lot of Blabla leading to an eventual no for an answer. Therefore it makes little sense to interact with these accounts, except for the purpose of calling out their BS
You keep repeating Gaza is not a prison. I agree, it’s a concentration camp.
Hier noch ein interessantes Beispiel. Die Person die unter jedem Beitrag zum Nahostkonflikt trollt, vermutlich deutsch, findet, ein Israeli soll sich nicht zur Politik in Israel äußern (?). Vielleicht ist auch Palästinensisch-Israelisch gar nicht „echt“ Israelisch genug?
Jedenfalls passt das Zitat aus dem Text ziemlich gut zu den Reaktionen hier.
Und hier ein Paradebeispiel. Der Autor, übrigens selber Deutsch-Israeli hat Familie in Israel und Palästina. Hat leider ermordende und vermisste Verwandte in Gaza. Schreibt dennoch einen super ausdifferenzierten Text. Und der User hier sitzt gemütlich zuhause und faselt erstmal irgendwas von Hamas.
Look, I don’t know what kind of things matter in your personal life, what bothers you and what you stand up for. From what I understood in your post, you just want to mind your own business and not give a fuck about problems of some people far away. That’s fair and I understand that.
My intention wasn’t to make you feel bad or confront you, and I really understand why you got tired of getting involved in random conflicts. I was too when I saw the invasion of Ukraine by Russia going down. I know it sucks and I feel sorry for the Ukrainans, but I felt the same way I couldn’t do much.
Why what you call discussing about semantics is important for me is simply because this is not just a conflict between neighbors. This is indigenous people facing a setter colonial movement born in Europe not even 200 years ago. And this movement wants to wipe the Palestinians and their whole identity out. It’s literally people fighting for survival.
I’m German-Palestinian and I have lost family in this most recent outbreak of violence and many past conflicts. And so have most of my Palestinian friends unfortunately. I have personally experienced what military occupation does to you, and I’ve experienced what apartheid feels like already as a child.
But I think it isn’t true that it all doesn’t help. I’ve been arguing with strangers about this on Facebook more than 10 years ago when it was still unquestionable to criticize anything Israel does. Arguing in real life with people who had some edgy takes on people being bombed to shit. I went to protests where we were like 50 people. Have seen and supported activists since teenage years (nowadays mostly financially). I had my picture posted somewhere online when I was on a protest. Immigration at Ben Gurion Airport loved it, almost sent me back to Germany.
Why I’m saying this is because I see that public opinion has shifted a lot. Politicians, especially German ones, still want to suppress our voices and equate all Palestinians with Hamas/Terrorists. But people aren’t having it anymore. Of course it doesn’t change things overnight. And I’m wondering how many more children need to be bombed until some old fucks realize how horrible the situation is.
In any case if you actually read this, thanks, and I hope you see now why it was import to me to clear up some things even if maybe 2 other people are reading this.
I like it here because of the far left anti-capitalist bs. The internet is full of edgy incel nazis and it’s pretty relieving to have some safe spaces 🤷♂️
But it’s not a question of „just getting along“. Palestinians are indigenous to that country and right wing extremist nationalists are committing a genocide on them right in front of our eyes. Actually backed by our governments.
I mean honestly, they’re starving innocent children, bombing them as they’re sheltering in schools & hospitals. You don’t do that to anyone. It’s just wrong and it shouldn’t be polarizing to express for anyone that they’re against wiping out innocent civilians, let alone children.
China is also committing their own genocide against minorities, one of them the Uyghurs with concentration camps, forced sterilization and forbidding people to practice their religion.
As a Palestinian I can tell you that we’re not interested in exchanging Israeli occupation for Iranian, Russian or Chinese occupation.
Unfortunately I don’t know who’d be a real and credible ally. I feel strong support from many Latin American countries, the Irish, Scottish, South Africans. But do they have enough influence to broker something? I don’t think so
Ein Weihnachtswunder. Die lassen wir doch normalerweise ersaufen. Das muss diese christliche Nächstenliebe sein von der wir immer sprechen.
Und jetzt im Ernst, ich bin sehr froh, dass sie gerettet wurden. Leider werden bald wieder Leute ertrinken. Die Abschottungspolitik der EU ist so ekelhaft.