It's insane how the greater concept of "antifa" is automatically associated with violence when it literally stands for "anti fascism".
I don't condone violence on either side, but I say be against the concept of fascism or GTFO of this forum.
this post was submitted on 08 Jun 2020
2 points (57.1% liked)
Announcements
765 readers
2 users here now
Official announcements from the Lemmy project. Subscribe to this community or add it to your RSS reader in order to be notified about new releases and important updates.
You can also find major news on join-lemmy.org
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
That's authoritarian
卐=☭
Too much politics for an open source project in my opinion
that's very little politics, they're banning one single political ideology. And fascism is an ideology that's fundamentally incompatible with the concept of human rights, whose need of respect in the 21st century should be taken for granted and shouldn't be a political question, i.e. a question which is answered in the political discourse, at all. So yeah, little politics. Fascism = bad, should be universally recognized as true. Nationalism per se not necessarily bad, but palingenetic ultranationalism, which is definition of fascism I'm using, definitely.
edit: hi lemmy, first post here
How exactly is "being against the concept of fascism" too much politics? Because that's what the term "antifa" abbreviates for, nothing more.
It's a political movement
The right amount of politics for us, but feel free to go back to Reddit.
This kind of stuff is why some people left reddit.
I don't understand how being anti-racist can possibly be controversial in any way... and if it is for you, then I'm not sure what that says about you.
So am I racist because I'm not an antifa nor a fascist? Do I need to be an antifa to be anti-racist?
It's not a group you sign up for. If you're not a racist, then yes, your most natural stance is being against fascism: antifa.
Fascism and racism have a large overlap, because they both target the same minorities. So yes, I think anti-racism needs to include anti-fascism.
I can't see which post you're replying to. These thread lines are an optical illusion.
Antifa's method of activism is controversial
While there is nothing controversial about being anti-racist, Antifa is not simply anti-racist. It's the style of activism that's controversial. From wikipedia:
Antifa is an anti-fascist political movement in the United States[2][3][4][5] comprising a diverse[6][7] array of autonomous groups that aim to achieve their objectives through the use of both non-violent and violent direct action rather than through policy reform.[8][9][10][11] Antifa political activists engage in protest tactics such as digital activism and militancy,[11][12] sometimes involving property damage, physical violence and harassment, against fascists, racists and the far-right
Petitioning for policy reform is relatively non-controversial. But that's not Antifa. Obviously some of the more extreme actions (e.g. violence and property destruction) are controversial - and Antifa is open to them.
Antifa's ideology is controversial
Components of Antifa ideology:
- anti-racism (non-controversial of course)
- anti-capitalism (obviously controversial and IMO unpopular)
- anarchy (obviously controversial and IMO unpopular)
I can't even get my head around how it's possible to be both anti-capitalist and anarchist at the same time. Anarchy is also favored by the extreme right, and obviously anarchy is a recipe for pure uncontrolled capitalism -- most oppressive form of capitalism. What am I missing?
Lemmy censorship
In the case of lemmy.ml leadership, what we see is extreme censorship. We're not just talking censorship of trashy messages. I recently posted a thread on the status of the cock.li email servers, and it was censored because the word "cock" appeared in the domain name. (proof). Obviously it's essential to mention the domain name of the service we're talking about.
No one will care if racist msgs get censored, but any post that's incompatible with an anti-capitalist or anti-government viewpoint is also likely to be censored when you see how fast and loose they are with the censor trigger.
Not just a lot of politics, but a lot of censorship from sympathizers of communism / socialism or movements like antifa.