this post was submitted on 12 Dec 2023
36 points (100.0% liked)

Formula 1

9139 readers
7 users here now

Welcome to Formula1 @ Lemmy.world Lemmy's largest community for Formula 1 and related racing series


Rules


  1. Be respectful to everyone; drivers, lemmings, redditors etc
  2. No gambling, crypto or NFTs
  3. Spoilers are allowed
  4. Non English articles should include a translation in the comments by deepl.com or similar
  5. Paywalled articles should include at least a brief summary in the comments, the wording of the article should not be altered
  6. Social media posts should be posted as screenshots with a link for those who want to view it
  7. Memes are allowed on Monday only as we all do like a laugh or 2, but donโ€™t want to become formuladank.

Up next


F1 Calendar

2025 Calendar

Location Date
๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡บ Australia 14-16 Mar
๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ณ China 21-23 Mar
๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ต Japan 04-06 Apr
๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ญ Bahrain 11-13 Apr
๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Saudi Arabia 18-20 Apr
๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ United States 02-04 May
๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น Italy 16-18 May
๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡จ Monaco 23-25 May
๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡ธ Spain 30 May-01 Jun
๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Canada 13-15 Jun
๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡น Austria 27-29 Jun
๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Great Britain 04-06 Jul
๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ช Belgium 25-27 Jul
๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡บ Hungary 01-03 Aug
๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ Netherlands 29-31 Aug
๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น Italy 05-07 Sep
๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡ฟ Azerbaijan 19-21 Sep
๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฌ Singapore 03-05 Oct
๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ United States 17-19 Oct
๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡ฝ Mexico 24-26 Oct
๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ท Brazil 07-09 Nov
๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ United States 20-22 Nov
๐Ÿ‡ถ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Qatar 28-30 Nov
๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡ช Abu Dhabi 05-07 Dec

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

In other changes for 2024, drivers who cause a red flag in qualifying could now lose their fastest lap time. According to the tweaked article 33.5, a driver deemed to be the โ€œsole causeโ€ of a red flag cannot continue in qualifying, โ€œand their fastest lap time during the session may be deleted.โ€

top 9 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

In other changes for 2024, drivers who cause a red flag in qualifying could now lose their fastest lap time. According to the tweaked article 33.5, a driver deemed to be the โ€œsole causeโ€ of a red flag cannot continue in qualifying, โ€œand their fastest lap time during the session may be deleted.โ€

That's an awesome change on paper, although it might be debated on who is the "sole cause"

Like, it can be a technical issue leading to a spin and a heavy crash or a driver error leading to the same. I would argue it would be unfair in the former and fair in the latter.

If this debate is ever solved, it would be nice to see this kind of chance implemented in F1

[โ€“] alphabetsheep 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd argue it shouldn't matter what the cause is. It's a little far fetched, but I could imagine teams organizing mechanical failures to gain an unfair advantage. All it would take is to tell the driver the wrong gearbox mode to cause a spin, Monaco style. As written it would suck to have an honest car failure and then lose extra grid places, but I think those kind of incidents will be pretty equally spread among the field.

[โ€“] bhmnscmm 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't see that happening. Teams can do exactly what you've described right now without any risk of penalty, and it doesn't appear to be happening.

If teams aren't doing that currently why would the start when there's the potential for a penalty?

[โ€“] alphabetsheep 2 points 1 year ago

I mean, many folks would say that's what leclerc did successfully in 2021. That's a bit of a conspiracy, and doesn't make a ton of sense (gearbox penalty etc.) but it's not impossible.

[โ€“] woelkchen 3 points 1 year ago

it might be debated on who is the โ€œsole causeโ€

Yes, the stewards will debate this.

[โ€“] GeneralEmergency 3 points 1 year ago

There isn't a debate though.

Adding that extra "technical issue excluded" Clause. is just extra complication that undermines the entire rule.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm sick of these subjective expressions in the rules. They are reasons why some drivers seemingly get harsher penalties than others, and nobody can clearly explain why.

[โ€“] bhmnscmm 2 points 1 year ago

That's exactly what I was thinking too. It's a high, but subjective, threshold.

I'm glad they're seeing how this type of rule works in the feeder series before trying in F1.

[โ€“] woelkchen 5 points 1 year ago

This change removes ambiguity from the regulations as well as the incorrect implication that only men could compete in and officiate races

Good