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[–] necrxfagivs 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As far as I know, at least in my instance, we're just defederating from instances full of bots or even worse, nazis.

[–] punio7 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Well, !beehaw.org defederated !lemmy.world, so by this logic, we're all nazis.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] necrxfagivs 9 points 1 year ago

Always have been

[–] average650 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm a member of both and am enjoying both.

[–] punio7 -2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that's the point.

[–] necrxfagivs 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I remember correctly, they defederated because they wanted to keep the instance similar to how it was before the Reddit Migration. I might be wrong tho.

[–] punio7 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As I know, they defederated, because of open registration policy, here's a full post https://beehaw.org/post/567170. The point stands, federation doesn't work as of today.

[–] necrxfagivs 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How are some instances defederating from others (and by doing so, using an intended feature) proving that federation doesn't work?

You can always join another instance or host your own.

[–] punio7 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The point of federation is not having to browse each instance seperatly. If each instance defedarates from every other, all you get is bunch of small Reddits. Defederation is a feature, but if you have to use it, to combat open registration (standard feature of every website), then something is wrong. Even if that wouldn't be the case, I see a lot of instances defederating, because they don't like users or content of other instances. Which makes you think, what was the point of federation in the first place?

Imagine any other federated service like emails doing it. You want to register on a website, but no, website defederated your email provider, and you are forced to use their email. "Oh you can just register multiple emails" is not the answer anyone would accept.

[–] strawman 2 points 1 year ago

100% agree. I really hope Apps will bridge this divide and allow a seamless experience across instances that have defederated. Heavy fragmentation may stop lemmy from succeeding altogether. The biggest draw for any social network is numbers. Small isolated instances will just naturally evaporate most of the time.

I might start my own instance with the policy to never de-federate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm getting a 404 on that link

[–] punio7 1 points 1 year ago

Entire beehaw instance kicked the bucket for some reason.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

User-side 'defederation' or some sort of soft defederation later on would be great.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The use of de-federation as a super downvote button isn't the way.

Though it's very easy to do, just call the instance a nazi bar and suddenly everyone is ready to de-federate apparently.