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[–] Izzy 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Just finished watching the finale. What a great series that was. I am going to have to start the book tonight now.

spoilerI called that ending though. I was certain there was absolute proof by episode 2 that it was dead outside. Just that fact that Holston was able to find Allison's body after taking off his helmet was a give away that the helmet was projecting some kind of illusion. Also that the suit they were given to go out and clean was somehow sabotaged and that the tunnel in the basement goes to other Silos. That the 18 was their Silo number. Although the game Fallout kind of made that obvious.

Admittedly I am a bit confused by the green screen outside. I don't really get how this technology can work as it is like a 3D hologram. It seems like the heat tape she stole a long time ago was replaced by Walter somehow which allowed her to survive outside unlike everyone else.

What now though? Obviously this is going to cause absolute chaos in their home Silo with people demanding to go outside. She could also cause some disruption at other Silos appearing in front of their cameras.

What is Bernard going to do in the Silo 18 server room? Maybe he can talk to other heads of IT? I really want the believe that the shooting star that other IT guy saw was a made man satellite that is allowing communication between Silos and that is why Bernard is being so harsh on this guy for potentially noticing it.

[–] pglpm 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll sure read the books too after this finale. I hope they're good!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I've just started the second book (Shift). The series is great so far. If you enjoyed the show then definitely give the books a shot. While there are some reasonably significant differences between the show and the books, the overall storyline remains consistent. Lets hope the second season is as good as the first!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like really good adaptations tend to find different ways of reaching the same main plot points, the adaptation differences remind me a lot of how the expanse did it. It makes it really exciting for book readers because it's keeping us on our toes, my head was often spinning wondering how Juliet was going to make it past the ridge because it didn't seem like she was going to get the better tape.

[–] Ragerist 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Could you explain that to me? What was the point of the "better tape", I didn't catch the point of that?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I.T. supplies the suit and tape for assembling the suit. In the show, the new mayor mentions multiple times how upset he was that mechanical stole their tape. I feel like Juliet only mentioned once that she found out that the tape from I.T. was really poor quality and therefore of no use to Juliet for important mechanical needs. We were supposed to notice the tape was used on the seals of the suit where the gloves and shoes meet the suit. We were supposed to surmise that the shitty I.T. tape made the suits fail far earlier than they should. Juliet's friend from mechanical somehow figured that out and got supply to do a switcheroo and send the high quality mechanical tape to I.T. so when they make Juliet's suit she isn't prematurely exposed to the hazard outside and could therefore make it past the ridge.

I think the books did a much better job of explaining this and of course a totally different route to get to this point, but all books are more detailed than visual adaptations.

[–] Ragerist 3 points 1 year ago

Ah, thanks. That makes sense.

[–] basskitten 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I read the book but my wife didn't and she did not get the tape thing at all. The TV show barely mentioned it, and the only clue it's even important to the last episode is a very quick shot of Allison's suit being taped up in the opening recap. Also the "it's better in supply" thing made no sense to her.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I wouldn't have got it either.

[–] Tenthrow 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What a wild episode! While I could probably make some guesses. I don't know what to expect from another season!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

** Spoilers **

I definitely wasn't predicting that ending, somehow I was convinced that the world was truly survivable, and the people being sent out to clean had poison out into the oxygen tanks of their suit to kill them off before getting to far. I was pleading for Juliette to take her helmet off when she went out lol, would not have gone well. Also was rooting for her to destroy the camera which was "spreading the lie" instead of clean it.

I really hope Juliette survives but I have no idea how.

Maybe she makes it to a neighbouring silo and they open the door for her?

She finds the big metal door at the bottom of their silo and it leads to a tunnel that connects all silos?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yep, I think that's where this is going. Everybody else died before they even got to the hill, but now she has the opportunity to walk to the other silos, which must have cameras, too. How will they react when she shows up and waves at them?

[–] Tenthrow 1 points 1 year ago

I could totally see most of that happening. She has to come back from the bottom this time.

[–] Izzy 4 points 1 year ago

Making wild guesses is part of the fun.

[–] pglpm 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

What I don't understand about the ending is this, if anyone has hypotheses (or knows from the books):

spolierWhy do they project a green world in the helmet of those who go out? Doesn't it defeat the purpose?

[–] willmo 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

::Spoiler Spoiler:: The theory is, is that when someone goes out to clean, they’re completely stunned in amazement how green and full of “life” outside looks - considering they’ve been seeing a dead world their whole lives within the silo. This is what drives them to clean, they think they need to show everyone what they see in their visor so they clean the sensor.

[–] pglpm 2 points 1 year ago

Now I get it! Cheers :)

[–] Izzy 5 points 1 year ago

To add to what willmo said there was a part in episode 9 where they saw a "video" on the computer screen and were completely in shock as to what it even was. No one in the Silo has seen a live video before so it must seem like real life or even magic. It would be pretty easy to fool anyone leaving the Silo.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Wow. That exact scenario is certainly one I wouldn’t have predicted.

[–] Tenthrow 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So I have one observation about the ending:

Spoiler alert if you haven't seen it yetI have seen a good amount of discussion on what is going on here, and agree with a lot of it, but there is one detail I haven't seen anyone mention (and maybe I missed it somehow) but when she goes out to clean the bodies of the sheriff and his wife don't appear to be out there, but they do show up in the silo feed. Is this just because of what she is seeing in her helmet or are the bodies gone? How true is the feed from the the silo?

[–] Izzy 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

spoilerThe bodies are definitely still there. I don't know how the technology is supposed to work, but the inside of the helmet is a display that is fake. If you notice the video that is being played when they all go out to clean is identical. The same birds flying in the same spot etc.. Nobody in the Silo understands what a digital video is which is why this display is so convincing to them that what they see has to be real.

Juliet was able to see through this and knew where Holston's body was supposed to be which is how she could feel around for his leg and then put his badge on his body.

[–] Tenthrow 2 points 1 year ago

I totally missed that!I somehow I didn't realize that she was putting the badge on his body. I thought she just set it down where she remembered him being as like a marker and to test how the display would behave. Now I need to go back again.

[–] deltasteel 1 points 1 year ago

Solid ending for a solid first season. Hope the second season keeps it up.