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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

It is up to Ukraine, but I think a few points remain extremely important:

  • Any gain that Russia can retain from its aggression vindicates their invasion. And they will do it again. To the Russian government, personnel losses are irrelvant.
  • Any peace that does not include Ukraine in a strong alliance (read: full NATO membership) will allow Russia to rebuild military strength and attack again to finish what they started
  • Any deal that Russia signs is not worth the paper, as we have seen with the wanton violation of the Budapest Memorandum, in which Russia agrees to respect the borders of Ukraine as defined in the Helsinki Accords, and not to use force or threat of force against any signatory state (which included Ukraine).
  • From which follows: only a strong Ukraine, backed by credible assurances of defense by all of NATO will keep Russia from attacking again. Not a written deal alone.
[–] robocall 20 points 1 year ago

There's no reason to believe that Russia will stop invading and genociding.

[–] Redditgee 18 points 1 year ago

"but there’s a growing sense that it’s too late, and it’s time to do a deal,” the former senior administration official said.

It's too late because you didn't send what they said they needed to win, you ape. Unreal.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So all of those assurances from Western leaders about supporting Ukraine for as long as it takes were completely disingenuous.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That assumes the people "broaching the topic of negotiations" are the same that promised support for however long it takes. Since the negotiation-supporters have chosen to remain anonymous, this is not an assertion we can make. But we know some likely names among US Republicans, parroting Russian propaganda.

[–] MedicatedMaybe 9 points 1 year ago

Russia is just going to keep going the West has proven it self as weak and full of fear. All Russian had Todo was wait and use propaganda campaigns all over the Internet. Soon Trump will be president again and Putin will get everything he wants.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Biden has requested that Congress authorize additional funding for Ukraine, but, so far, the effort has failed to progress because of resistance from some congressional Republicans.

Before the Israel-Hamas war began, White House officials publicly expressed confidence that additional Ukraine funding would pass Congress before the end of this year, while privately conceding concerns about how difficult that might be.

There would be no aid left for Ukraine if the administration hadn’t said it found a $6.2 billion accounting error from months of over-valuing equipment sent to Kyiv.

A lack of significant progress on the battlefield in Ukraine does not help with trying to reverse the downward trend in public support for sending more aid, officials said.

As incentive for Zelenskyy to consider negotiations, NATO could offer Kyiv some security guarantees, even without Ukraine formally becoming part of the alliance, officials said.

But a Western official acknowledged there has not been a lot of movement by either side in some time, and with the cold weather approaching it will be tough for either Ukraine or Russia to break that pattern.


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