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With apologies to u/utthana, whose title I've stolen. I thought about replying to your post but that felt like hijacking, and a bit redundant three months down the track. In retrospect this may be more hijacky.

The world is quicksand but, contrary to all that I was led to believe about quicksand by cartoons, I think that struggling might actually be the way out.

I have also spent the last few months distracted and swamped by life and the world, to the exclusion of contemplation. For a long time my daily practice was at nil. Awareness was always there in the background in the form of dissatisfaction, but it just didn't seem like I had the mental space or energy to do anything with it other than acknowledge it. Even my dreams have become a dull penance.

If I had to describe existence recently I'd call it sawdust.

I've done a bit of re-prioritisation in the last week to be able to immerse myself, for a while at least, in practice, and attempt to figure out what the hey has been going on this year. I need to get some safeguards in place so I don't end up so mentally swamped again. It's a catch-22. Living in reasonable comfort in this world requires attention to a lot of stuff I'd like to ignore (money, money... money). It'd be nice to just make it go away but apparently I'm not skilled enough to do that yet.

So that's the challenge. Find a way to exist that isn't untenable but which also allows space - the bulk of the space - for mental progress. Perhaps in some manner I'm cultivating strife because I have some ass-backwards commitment to the idea that this is the only thing that will drive me. Intellectually, I know that pain isn't the best motivator but it seems to be a condition of my progress that it only happens when I'm so severely dissatisfied with the status quo that I force through changes in reality, temper-tantrum style. But too much strife just = stagnation and despair. Hopefully this truth will sink into and take root in my mind sometime soon.

So some techniques I'm currently employing:

Less wishy-washiness: If you want to do magic, do magic. Don't beat around the bush, generate some intentions, set parameters, make things happen, judge your results! I think that fear of failure can be so constraining that this one area of your life where you should be wildly imaginative, flamboyant and fearless can become a sinkhole of restrictions, excuses and apologies. The challenge here is walking the tightrope of not sinking into despair or giving up when you fail. There's a valuable, fleeting moment between action and failure when your mind tells you just why you failed. The problem is that there's a huge amount of data to unpack in that millisecond/frisson of disquiet.

Floating brain: I'm almost embarrassed to include this one, but I've found that it's effective at tackling the sensation that you're located in a brain, experiencing the world from behind a set of eyeballs, especially when you don't have much mental energy for genuine deconstruction of the world. Take your brain, make it transparent, float it in front of you. This helps me to remember that the brain is a construct of the mind, like the world, not the centre/originating point of my consciousness. It also gives me a sense of omnipresence.

Judicious use of fiction: Computer games, books; becoming invested in them and increasing their "realness," particularly that of the characters, doesn't so much decrease the reality of my day to day existence as widen its possibilities. That's clumsily expressed - I can try to elaborate if anyone's interested.

So anyway. Long story short, do not go gentle into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light, etc.

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[–] syncretik 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Still experiencing a human; only moderately lost."

Originally posted by u/BraverNewerWorld on 2018-10-30 22:19:15 (9smwc5).

[–] syncretik 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So that's the challenge. Find a way to exist that isn't untenable but which also allows space - the bulk of the space - for mental progress.

That's why people in the past have established monk and nun orders, and I believe there are even some non-denominational meditation retreats which are not free (although maybe even some free or donation-based ones exist?). I've heard people raving about Goenka retreats but those are not long term stays, even if from what I remember they're free or donation based (but don't take my word for it). I've also heard of people leaving to live in an ashram, which is a similar idea to becoming a monk or a nun.

Well, in my ideal world we will all be receiving universal basic income, or at least have access to plenty of commons land, so that you could live off the land without paying a dime for anything. Then you'd only need labor to make you a hut and hunt/fish/gather. This lifestyle is very similar to some Daoist hermits I've read about. Some people still figure out ways to live this way today. Like there was a dude that lived in a tunnel he carved with the hammers by himself in the side of a mountain off some freeway in some low population state. There was a video about it on youtube. I'm not sure if he had any property rights to do that, but whatever, he just did it, and he even rented a section of his self-made cave to some curious tourists which then paid for more tools and some other resources, and the locals thought of this dude as a curiosity and would support him in various small ways from time to time, from what I gathered. I don't think that kind of stuff is for me, but I keep it in the back of my mind, "just in case."

Less wishy-washiness: If you want to do magic, do magic. Don't beat around the bush, generate some intentions, set parameters, make things happen, judge your results!

I do that fairly regularly. It's become somewhat habitual, but not habitual enough yet. I still have some minor lapses when I forget I could be engaging in magic but don't.

One thing I got good at remembering and making habitual is a kind of healing body meditation. I submerge my body inside an imaginary cocoon of softness and warmth and it has great effects. I do this before falling asleep or when reditting (but not right during posting something), so if I am reading something and I don't have to actively think about what to type next, I can shift a percentage of my attention to this cocoon business, or I can just lean back in this chair here and take a break and that also works.

Healing I suppose is not as fancy as the other kinds of magic, but it's damn useful though, and it produces fairly obvious results inside the body, fairly quickly and consistently, which means I am much more likely to do it.

The challenge here is walking the tightrope of not sinking into despair or giving up when you fail.

Yup. :)

Floating brain: I'm almost embarrassed to include this one, but I've found that it's effective at tackling the sensation that you're located in a brain, experiencing the world from behind a set of eyeballs, especially when you don't have much mental energy for genuine deconstruction of the world. Take your brain, make it transparent, float it in front of you. This helps me to remember that the brain is a construct of the mind, like the world, not the centre/originating point of my consciousness. It also gives me a sense of omnipresence.

Nice! :) I like this one. Thank you.

I also like to "position" myself somewhat behind my body instead of right behind my eyeballs. I don't like being inside my head too much, although I don't hate it, to be honest. I think being inside the head is not so bad, so long as there are other options available that I can exercise. But being too much inside the head can accidentally lead to a build up of pressure in the head, at least for me. It pretty much never happens to me, but it used to a long time go. I'd have to consciously focus my attention deep into the earth below to rid myself of that uncomfortable pressure, but since I don't dwell inside my head all that much anymore and I am not as serious about being in my head even when I am behind my eyeballs for a time, I don't get any problems with pressure.

So anyway. Long story short, do not go gentle into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light, etc.

Great poem! :)

It's nice to hear from you. I'm glad you're doing well, by all appearances.

Originally commented by u/mindseal on 2018-10-31 10:44:22 (e8rb131)

[–] syncretik 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's why people in the past have established monk and nun orders, and I believe there are even some non-denominational meditation retreats which are not free (although maybe even some free or donation-based ones exist?).

A meditation retreat is on my to-do list, when I can find one which allows pursuit of your own agenda. There are a few vipassana ones in my area. They're ostensibly non-denominational and refuse payment and donations, but they do ask you to commit to their way of thinking/meditating while you're there. You could attend and just do your own thing, but I'd feel like a bit of a fraud, cadging off their resources and time. I mean, it's a victimless crime! But still...

Have you given any retreats a go?

Michael Chrichton of Jurassic Park fame wrote an autobiography called "Travels" which I read years ago. I recall him talking about meditation/spiritual retreats in Joshua Tree which completely captured my imagination at the time. I'd have to re-read the book to see whether they're still the sort of thing that would appeal, but yeah, the opportunity to just single-mindedly pursue contemplation seems like an enormous luxury.

I've often thought that a monk/nun order would be great, with the big caveat that you didn't fall into the trap of creating the perfect monk or nun order (I can see myself getting distracted by this) and forgetting to pursue the thing that made you set the order up in the first place. I think a cave in a hill side would probably be more conducive to making headway, but, like you... not sure I'm ready for that extreme yet. That said, give me another year of Trump-based headlines and I may change my mind.

At any rate, it's good to know there are ways of making it happen if that's what you're committed to.

Healing I suppose is not as fancy as the other kinds of magic, but it's damn useful though, and it produces fairly obvious results inside the body, fairly quickly and consistently, which means I am much more likely to do it.

Hah, I disagree, I think it's very fancy :) It just shows we all have our own different baked-on commitments, but I find any alterations relating to the body trickier than those related to the 'outside' world.

For my own part, I'm trying to aim for some flashier, more overt stuff, than I have in the past, because I identified that I was avoiding anything that could give me feedback on whether I'd failed or succeeded. Ambiguity, I've realised, has become a bit of a crutch for me. It's been challenging, but I think failure is a brick wall I need to throw myself up against until it becomes less of a boogie man in the short term, and less of a thing that even exists in the long term.

But being too much inside the head can accidentally lead to a build up of pressure in the head, at least for me.

Yes! I think I experience something similar. A kind of "compressed" feeling. Usually I feel I need to sit down and visualise galaxies and infinite vistas when it becomes too pressing.

Great poem! :)

One of my favourites!

It's nice to hear from you. I'm glad you're doing well, by all appearances.

And you :) Seems we're all more or less trucking along. One thing that's heartening is that once the SI seed is planted, it's pretty tenacious, in spite of adversity.

It may not grow quickly but it's not uprooted easily either.

Originally commented by u/BraverNewerWorld on 2018-11-02 16:17:50 (e8wb4lz)

[–] syncretik 1 points 1 year ago

Have you given any retreats a go?

No. I used to dream about it but then I realized I am almost always in quasi-retreat anyway, why do I need to go somewhere else?

Early in life I also thought I had to do a lot of sitting meditation, except I didn't like sitting, but I was always walking. Then I realized instead of dreaming about sitting I should take walking as my meditation. Once I did that, I wasn't postponing anything anymore. That was a big step forward for me: to make my mind training fit me as a person instead of making myself fit into some externally conceived idea of mind training.

Actually no longer slavishly and deferentially listening to the gurus and traditional advice was the best thing I'd ever done for myself, because I started moving forward very rapidly once I became my own authority.

Not long after I realized I should stop dreaming about sitting and accept walking as my meditation, I decided that every second of every day is practice, is suitable for training my mind, and so I took all of my life as mind training. Then I really boosted ahead after that and never looked back. I discarded any and all kinds of romanticism I had about formal practice, altars, teachers, groups, etc., and started really paying attention to my own mind every second of every day.

So for me I no longer have any kind of romantic ideas about retreats. But at the same time I recognize that so many others will benefit from those and I don't instantly assume everyone else is just like me. I've read many reports from people who were very happy during and after these retreats.

Part of training for me is to no longer be impressed by appearances. So if suppose I was exposed to a vision of a cubicle farm, I wouldn't let that vision impress me in the same way a regular person would be. Since it wouldn't weigh me down in the same way, I could practice even then and there. And I would always make satisfying myself a higher priority than satisfying my boss, unless my boss lived and died for my benefit or something, in which case I might consider reciprocating, but that would be strange.

My point is: everything in your life is for you, for your benefit, and is your training ground and your training resource. You can do whatever you want and train at any time.

Tibetans talk about this as "taking obstacles as the path." So your ostensibly worldly life appears as an obstacle that you seemingly need to get away from, right? Instead, take it as your path. Alchemically transform lead into gold. Transform your ordinary life into a training ground with great opportunities for yourself. You have to assign to yourself more authority for your life to do this right. Stop feeling like you owe something to others unless you feel they go through their life like they owe you, in which case you're reciprocating. If you look around and you realize no one behaves in a way suggesting that they're beholden to you, then where would your attitude of trying to serve them and live up to their expectation come from?

These visions of other people and your own expectation about their expectations of you is a heavy brick in your mind. Dump it. Convert everything in your life into your own private mind training, and do it in a way that is wise and skillful and avoid any unnecessary recklessness, but taking intelligent risks is a good idea. That's what I recommend, if you find yourself always thinking about retreats and better conditions, which seemingly never arrive.

But at the same time, if you're the kind of person who can arrange such trips, you may enjoy them too, and a formally structured meditation retreat can also produce benefits that are great.

I've often thought that a monk/nun order would be great, with the big caveat that you didn't fall into the trap of creating the perfect monk or nun order (I can see myself getting distracted by this) and forgetting to pursue the thing that made you set the order up in the first place.

I couldn't agree more. This is a big reason why I don't like the idea of starting a religion or something. I just want to train myself.

Yes! I think I experience something similar. A kind of "compressed" feeling. Usually I feel I need to sit down and visualise galaxies and infinite vistas when it becomes too pressing.

Interesting. I tried your crystal brain visualization the other day and it was interesting. I definitely felt something.

One thing that's heartening is that once the SI seed is planted, it's pretty tenacious, in spite of adversity.

It may not grow quickly but it's not uprooted easily either.

Ah, you've said this so well. :) I could not agree more. It's as you say. It's a way of life. A way of thinking. Once seen, it would be hard to unsee.

Originally commented by u/mindseal on 2018-11-04 22:05:38 (e90yb8z)

[–] syncretik 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I have also spent the last few months distracted and swamped by life and the world, to the exclusion of contemplation. For a long time my daily practice was at nil. Awareness was always there in the background in the form of dissatisfaction, but it just didn't seem like I had the mental space or energy to do anything with it other than acknowledge it.

I've been able to combat this using mindfulness. The basic technique I learned with was to count your breaths (in 1, out 2) then even numbers are always exhales so if you lose count you can check your exhale count. The initial exercise was to count to 60... but who has the attention span for that? I shortened it to 10. If you lose count start over, if you get to 10 start over. Now, that you have the root of that; I've improved from being mindful of not only my breath... but can actively contemplate parallel to being "distracted and swamped by life and the world." Depending on where I decide to direct my attention I can dynamically focus more or less on one or the other.

Even my dreams have become a dull penance.

Ouch. :<

Living in reasonable comfort in this world requires attention to a lot of stuff I'd like to ignore (money, money... money). It'd be nice to just make it go away but apparently I'm not skilled enough to do that yet.

That rings true here as well. I've been lucky enough to re-integrate into my characters starting zone (parent's house >.>) which restricts certain aspects of my intentions at times but doesn't strangle me. It also frees up attention from rent, groceries, and the other bills attached to independent living. I've struggled with framing it as a good thing (could be thought of as leeching) like in the SNES Donkey Kong Country game where you can replay the first level as many times as you want to get extra lives and the rhino companion.

Intellectually, I know that pain isn't the best motivator but it seems to be a condition of my progress that it only happens when I'm so severely dissatisfied with the status quo that I force through changes in reality, temper-tantrum style.

In my experience, there are generally pains associated with growing. Like kinks that need worked out. At first it's overwhelming, but then you start getting into it and build "shortcuts" (or I like to think of them as bookmarks like in a web browser) that let you revisit things, quickly, in order to adjust them in finer detail. I would like to draw imagery from Bruce Almighty where he's trying to modify the way he receives people's prayers. At first, he was hearing all sorts of voices in his head, then he switches to envelopes with letters in them and get's buried, he finally settles on emails which is still problematic eventually... but the progression of refining the system is what I would like to point at.

Judicious use of fiction: Computer games, books; becoming invested in them and increasing their "realness," particularly that of the characters, doesn't so much decrease the reality of my day to day existence as widen its possibilities. That's clumsily expressed - I can try to elaborate if anyone's interested.

A long while back, I think it was u/Mindseal (maybe under a different account ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ) who mentioned this, the subject of being so present in the moment that you can talk to people in things like YouTube videos came up. I tried it once to great affect, and have since developed this to the point where generally spectator oriented content including things like TV shows and live sports events have become interactive games for me. I appear to be able to influence direction, pace, and outcome on a whim. An unexpected side-effect of developing this seems to be over-empathizing. Occasionally, if I'm listening to someone else tell a story about someone it's as if I'm identifying as the person they're talking about. Sometimes that's alright, but humans generally enjoy complaining so it get's kind of intense at times.

A technique I've been developing is similar to the one u/Mindseal mentioned in their reply. Rather than for healing, I use this for protection in general. I imagine something akin to a lightbulb, but not actually a lightbulb. More along the lines of a sealed container with a vacuum inside, imagined as if I were suspended in this vacuum inside the container. This apparently allows me to remove myself mentally and/or emotionally from a situation without removing myself physically.

Edit: Bonus Technique - "Shutting the Door" - This one is pretty simple. Essentially you "shut out" "that which 'I' am presently aware of being" in order to be "that which 'I' desire to be." Having listened to some of Neville Goddards lectures yesterday this seems like a summation of what he teaches / points to.

Originally commented by u/Scew on 2018-11-02 03:18:13 (e8utowj)

[–] syncretik 1 points 1 year ago

but can actively contemplate parallel to being "distracted and swamped by life and the world." Depending on where I decide to direct my attention I can dynamically focus more or less on one or the other.

I think the truth is that there's always room for contemplation parallel to strife. I really should make less excuses for myself and commit more. I like your breathing technique - I've eschewed breathing meditation and mindfulness-based activities because of bad associations (I loathe the way mindfulness has been commandeered by the corporate sector to make people more compliant in the face of inequality and bad conditions). But you're quite right - it's all about how and why you utilise these techniques.

Ouch. :<

Right?!

If I have one more dream about parking inspectors, or trying to navigate my way to an appointment at a bank, or whatever...

I've been thinking about this and I think it comes down to the fact that the difference between the world in my imagination and the world as it is is painful. So to avoid pain, just stop imagining, right? Shut down, become numb.

This is effective but it's also stupid. It's also had the very undesirable side-effect of making my mind a wasteland of mundanity. I'm actively combatting that now by cultivating mental playfulness, consuming imaginative fiction, etc. It still hurts but damn, it's better than the alternative.

I tried it once to great affect, and have since developed this to the point where generally spectator oriented content including things like TV shows and live sports events have become interactive games for me

This is awesome! And yeah, I've found that certain types of content are excellent for creating the right mental state for manipulating reality. But reading this makes me feel I haven't taken it nearly far enough.

Originally commented by u/BraverNewerWorld on 2018-11-02 16:32:39 (e8wbq1k)

[–] syncretik 1 points 1 year ago

In Stephen King's On Writing, he mentions "shutting the door" and working until something comes out. I find that to be an interesting insight there.

Originally commented by u/LegendaryDraft on 2018-11-13 13:26:11 (e9leidc)

[–] syncretik 1 points 1 year ago

Rather than for healing, I use this for protection in general. I imagine something akin to a lightbulb, but not actually a lightbulb. More along the lines of a sealed container with a vacuum inside, imagined as if I were suspended in this vacuum inside the container. This apparently allows me to remove myself mentally and/or emotionally from a situation without removing myself physically.

These sorts of visualizations can be so powerful and they get even better if done regularly. You have a visualization there and you expect it to have a certain effect, and what do you know, it does have that effect. It's really gratifying and empowering when this happens for me.

Originally commented by u/mindseal on 2018-11-04 22:16:12 (e90yly4)

[–] syncretik 1 points 1 year ago

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