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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I know there is a bit of drama surrounding lemmy right now, but in my opinion, kbin isn't really mature enough to self host. They don't have a good Docker environment, and while their docs have some Docker instructions, the process is fairly manual. If you're a beginner to self hosting and need help, kbin is not for you. And by their own admission:

This is a very early beta version, and a lot of features are currently broken or in active development

Conversely, hosting Lemmy is pretty much effortless if you understand the basics of Docker. And their docs are pretty good too. Their Caddy stuff is incorrect, and they could definitely use some help in automating the process, but it's much easier to get into than kbin.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lemmy is FOSS so I don’t really think the political views of the developers have much impact.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Anything I can read about the Lemmy drama?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly, I'm not sure. I keep seeing people talk about "political views of the lead dev," and I see this a LOT, but no one has stepped up to actually explain what they're talking about. If you find it, I'd appreciate a link or something. I'm sure it's there, I'm just too lazy to go digging.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’ve only seen it mentioned a few places, but I saw people complaining about Lemmy in general being too leftist / communist. I don’t know if that’s true, and I don’t think it matters either way, but that’s the “drama” that I’ve seen.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Seems to be people upset about non-mainstream takes on the Russia/Ukraine war and China Uyghur stuff from what I've seen.

I'm sure they were equally concerned and principled when it came to the political views of the Reddit admins.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I'm sure they were equally concerned and principled when it came to the political views of the Reddit admins

Thank you - I didn't see that coming and it's downright hilarious!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey person!

To be honest I really hated how if I criticized something about America I would sometimes have tons of people chiming in how everyone hates on America or how if you expressed any kind of view regarding how the ultra capitalistic (maybe not even that but monopolies protected by lobbying?) stuff has fucked people over you would be called a dirty commie or how if you expressed how fucked up is that USA supported coups for fucking bananas you get called out for not supporting freedom, and the list goes on.

Unfortunately it seems like at least on lemmy.ml or lemmygrad it seems like the positions have shifted to the other extreme where you're an orientalist (I'm from the Orient lol) if you criticize China or how bad things that China/Russia do are just western propoganda (I consume plenty of non-western media too).

Honestly it just sucks that people want to pick a side and basically defend it to death without really caring about connecting with actual people. Like really talk to someone, try to see what struggles and problems they're facing and try to communicate what are your concerns.

At least beehaw seems to be better than most communities I have been a part of.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Western media famously laid the groundwork for the Iraq war based on obviously false propaganda, so I suspect that the same frustration you feel about people denying the documented and obvious flaws with America is felt by people who try to explain that western media exaggerates a lot of things about foreign states. Especially ones the government is currently hostile towards.

I won’t say this is justification for blind defense of the targets of our medias current hate campaigns but maybe this will help you find a way to relate to them and share less sensationalized information that you have access to by virtue of crossing language and cultural barriers.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks. There was some good discussion there and highlights why a public modlog is very important to evaluate the health of any Lemmy instance.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Happy to help :) I feel like these kind of discussions are important for a platform. One of the times when I appreciate the fact that downvoting is not possible in beehaw.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah I never really understood downvoting on reddit either. Throughout 6 years I've only had to touch that button like a handful of times regardless of how badly I disagreed with what someone else said.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You have better self-control than me :) Arguments with trolls in bad faith and trolls in general are ocassion when I've downvoted content. Not on disagreements though. Good discussions are how we learn things in my experience.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah. I don't have the energy to reply or react to trolls. Even in general if I have a difference in opinion, i'll type almost the entire comment and then realise that I don't want to have to deal with the hostility that would follow it. Having opinions and difference is in opinions is too rich for reddit. This behaviour carried forward to downvoting too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You've summarised it beautifully. I don't know how many times I've typed out a detailed reply to just delete it at the end because it is too tiring to deal with what might follow. Hopefully things are different here in lemmy or will eventually be.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Google page cache is your friend and if that doesn't workWayback machine

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

There is [email protected]