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How easy is it to go back to using staggered keyboards?
I've been tempted to switch to ergo, but I'm worried about being able to still use laptops effectively.

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[–] callcc 9 points 1 year ago

I use both regularly, no big issue switching. Don't worry.

[–] RustedSwitch 4 points 1 year ago

It took me a month to get used to my Corne, mostly because I went split, and 40% (dependent on layers for everything). This was during the pandemic, so I was also WFH and didn’t need to use the laptop keyboard for a couple years.

When my company returned to office, and I started using the laptop occasionally, it took a couple hours to wake up my row-stagger muscle memory, but I’m able to switch between ergo and my laptop without issue.

[–] nicolas33 3 points 1 year ago

I have three different kinds of keyboards. Regular, Alice and split ergo with columnar stagger. It always takes a little while to get back to speed when I switch boards. But I think that the layouts are different enough so that a distinct muscle memory forms for each one. I guess that the most important thing is that you should be fairly proficient with touch typing on a regular board before trying a different layout. If you are still in the phase of learning, I imagine that it gets really frustrating.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

If you are switching regularly back and forth it's not a big deal. However, if you go for a few months or longer without using a row-staggered keyboard, then you may be in for a bigger adjustment when switching back.

I've been almost 100% colstag for a while and now every time I need to use a regular keyboard, it's a real shitshow.

[–] daliusd 3 points 1 year ago

Initially there was a difference for me, but now I can switch from one to another without a problem if I need to work on laptop keyboard for some reason.

[–] BbbO 3 points 1 year ago

As someone who only types a few words on staggered now and then, I have no problem as long as I look at the keyboard. I would probably need some learning period to write blind again.

[–] crankin 2 points 1 year ago

I have no trouble at all switching between my 34 key weirdo ergo board and my laptop. When I was first learning the ergo, I did, but once I’d mastered it, no problem.

[–] wondroushippo 2 points 1 year ago

You’ll be fine. Just be patient as your muscle memory adapts.

[–] FearTheCron 2 points 1 year ago

Your brain is way more adaptable than you think. I go between 3 or 4 different keyboard layouts regularly and can use them all just fine. I think the secret is just to force yourself to recall locations from memory even if it takes a moment, only look up the layout if you are totally stuck. It's also kinda fun to see how weird of a layout your brain can get used to. E.g. one-handed layouts, morse code, stenography etc.

[–] anaumann 2 points 1 year ago

At first it was pretty hard, but I found that it became easier once I built up muscle memory for my Colemak-DH column stagger split keyboard. Suddenly switching between the split and my MacBook keyboard started working again.

[–] KMS_XYZ 1 points 1 year ago

no one wants to come back, as well as mastering the optimal layout, e.g. ColemakDH... Unless you have to - it depends on your practiced skills and muscle memory. I once heard a good comparison that it's like driving two different cars - a good driver can switch cars and drive each one without any problems.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I had difficulty to begin with, but now I can switch between them with no issues.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I have a few ortho boards, an horizontal staggered one and use a vertical stagger with strong pinky stagger (+ another with light pinky stagger) ; I can type on all of them but I'm now faster on split vertical stagger, and have to look often at the horizontal stagger one when typing.

On a normal board I was at 90wpm before using split vertical stagger boards full time, now only at 50ish but that's only because I use those very rarely now. It's a learning experience, don't feel afraid to be slower, you can relearn anything in no time

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This was also my concern. When I first got an ortho, I spent 3 days 30 minutes each training how to use the ortho and then it just clicked. Then, I used only ortho for a couple days, then went back and forth between ortho and staggered for a few days. And... now I can switch back and forth with ease. It's surprisingly natural. There is a slight learning curve at first, and then it's easy.

[–] iZRBQEcWVXNdnPtTV 1 points 1 year ago

I switch all the time between QWERTY, Colemak-dh, staggered, split, ortholinear -- basically every variation you can think of. Aside from a momentary: "Which keyboard am I on?" I have no issue switching.