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Obviously this question is only for people who eat beef regularly.

But I just was wondering, what IQ/ability would make you swear off beef? If they could speak like an 8 y.o, would that be enough to cut off beef? If they got an IQ of 80, would that do it?

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[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I once stayed off red meat for 1 year and my health improved tremendously, and then returned to it and my health deteriorated in record time. I'm now back off red meat and feeling better than ever. Maybe at one time red meat was good for you, but the way they raise cattle for profits it would not surprise me they are butchering sick animals as well.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

They would have to be able to hold a conversation. Octopi are much, much smarter than cows, I will still happily eat them... though I feel a little guilty about that. Cows, though? No guilt.

That said, there is much tastier red meat to be had, if only we diversified our livestock. Kangaroo and Ostrich, in particular. And both of those animals are cold-blooded killers who deserve to be eaten.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

My personal limit is recreation, or having fun. So no cows, or pigs, horses or dogs or cats, mostly no mammals really. But also i wouldnt eat like a crow, or octopus.

[โ€“] kava 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I wouldn't eat a dog, a monkey, an octopus, a dolphin, a whale, a cat, a parrot, a crow, or a donkey. Pretty much everything else is on the table unless I'm missing something.

I don't think it's entirely to do with intelligence. Pigs for example are apparently of similar intelligence to dogs, but I love eating pork. Obviously the dog has the advantage of a unique domestication where they can read and react to our emotions better than virtually all other animals.

So it's an interesting question you ask. Because while intelligence isn't the primary reason it has to certainly be a motivator because all of those I listed are intelligent animals.

To actually answer your question, they would have to be pretty damn smart for me to stop eating them because they are delicious.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I think people forget that nature is quite brutal. If humans stopped eating meat, millions of animals would still be killed by predators, illness, parasites, old age, accidents, etc.

If cows became intelligent enough to participate in society but we had lab grown beef, I'd eat it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you would also eat humans?

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Why don't we eat humans?

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We're also the only species who raises animals just to eat them later. I'm not a vegetarian, I'm just planning out that you're logic isn't exactly perfect there.

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[โ€“] BonesOfTheMoon 2 points 1 year ago

Well I don't eat meat at all, and part of the reason is the video on YouTube of the little girl who snuck her pet cow onto her indoor porch and is holding it in her lap and scratching it while it sighs contentedly.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Cows could launch a spaceship past Warp 1 and I would still want a cheeseburger. I could make do with a well marinated portabello burger at the same price.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They'd have to be on one level with pigs, basically.

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