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Server rules - am I missing something? (i.imgur.com)
submitted 1 year ago by CocktailPlasma to c/[email protected]
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I was glancing through the mod log and saw these two entries. Conspiracy theory communities were both removed for violating rule #3.

What are these rules? If I look in the side bar, rule #3 on both lemmy.ml and sh.itjust.works to me looks like no porn. So why were conspiracy theory communities not allowed? That seems like kind of a community that shouldn't be an issue on Lemmy... are conspiracy theory subs really something that won't be allowed here? Honestly that's kind of disturbing to see already...

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (18 children)

It's not the rules on those servers, but the rules on the server you belong to, i.e lemmy.world. Looking at their main site, their rule 3 is as follows:

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[–] Archr 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you are really disturbed by the admins of these two instances not allowing conspiracy theory comms then you always have the option of creating your own instance without this restriction.

[–] CocktailPlasma -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm aware. But when I look at server rules that simply don't apply what-so-ever to the community removals, and these being some of the largest Lemmy instances out there currently, it just makes me concerned about the moderation currently going on.

[–] kiwifoxtrot 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Move to a different instance that suits you better. That's the beauty of federation.

[–] CocktailPlasma 1 points 1 year ago

It's the beauty, but I can also see how it could end up being a negative. So one instance blocks two other instances you like. So you move to a new instance that doesn't. But then it turns out that new instance blocks two different ones that you also like. Can you imagine how as things grow, and with so much potential for selective blocking like this, it could quickly become quite a maze to simply find a place to browse the ENTIRR community, without having to deal with multiple logins across multiple instances?

[–] Dick_Justice 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

What does rule #3 say?

[–] PriorProject 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy.world (where OP's account is) has a rule 3 stating:

No posts or comments supporting or promoting QAnon related content or similarly disproven conspiracy theories. Moderators have sole discretion to decide if a post violates this rule. Birds are real. The Earth is round. Get over it.

See https://mastodon.world/about (both world servers are maintained by the same admin team, and lemmy.world links to that page for its rules).

[–] Earthwormjim91 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can admins defederate from specific communities on other instances?

That’s rule 3 for Lemmy.world, but these two instances are on Lemmy.ml and sh.itjust.works respectively.

[–] PriorProject 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your terminology is super confused, but the lemmy.world admins did remove those specific communities on lemmy.world in particular. They're unaffected on other servers, and other communities from these servers continue to replicate to lemmy.world unimpacted.

[–] Earthwormjim91 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I knew users can block specific communities from their feeds, but I figured the admin level was just defederating from the instance as a whole, like beehaw did.

[–] PriorProject 0 points 1 year ago

I don't run an instance and don't have a lot of experience with exactly what's possible, but the screenshots in this post pretty clearly show community removal and not defederation... and the communities aren't removed on their home servers. So I infer the lemmy.world admins must have been able to do it... and did so.

[–] yukichigai 1 points 1 year ago

"3. No porn."

[–] CocktailPlasma -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I said in my post that unless there's rules elsewhere I'm just not seeing, the rules on the main instance sidebars for #3 simply say "no porn". So what does that have to do with conspiracy theory communities?

[–] Dick_Justice 1 points 1 year ago

My bad I thought maybe there was more verbiage. That is certainly succinct. Maybe they were allowing porn.

[–] bleph 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The mods of lemmy.ml are doing a lot of freewheeling moderation: https://lemmy.pineapplemachine.com/post/5781

[–] PriorProject 2 points 1 year ago

Except that the conspiracy community is still up at lemmy.ml: https://lemmy.ml/c/conspiracy

As another commenter said, lemmy.world where OP has their account has a no-conspiracy-theories rule. It was probably an admin there that blocked those communities. It can be hard to figure out where modlog actions come from since they're replicated.

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[–] Evono 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Swap instances and dont use them anymore. its sad that the shit just works admin turned out that bad , luckily i chose lemmy world when i considered both.

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