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Planning to buy a house but not sure where to start. Any help is really appreciated.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
  1. Settle on Budget. How much cash you afford a month to pay, how much money can you put as down payment are the first try budget questions. Others such as your utility bills and other costs factor but I'm assuming you have some type of budget now, so you need to figure out how much you can afford a month and how much you can put down. Small note: depending your state, and the type of property you buy, taxes are a thing end of year. I can't offer advice on this.
  2. Whatever amount of money you can put down should be 20% of what you're planning to buy. If you only have 20k, aim for 100k, 40k aim for 200k, etc.
  3. Now that you have the money you can put down, take the total amount and go to any mortgage calculator. Put that amount and down payment in. That will give you a rough idea of how much your monthly payments will be. The number that changes is the interest. If you have a rough idea of what interest you'll get (from your bank or mortgage provider), the calculator will give you a rough estimate of your monthly. If you can't afford that number at all, plan to put down less money and buy something smaller or wait.
  4. Why am I talking about personal finance first? You need to set realistic expectations. Banks and lenders have limits on what they'll let you buy but many will still let you buy something beyond your means. There's no reason to get your heart set on a place before knowing if you can realistically afford it or worse, convince yourself you can when you can't
  5. Go to your lender of choice. I prefer large banks because I'm dumb. Smaller lenders may be able to get you a better deal but there are parts of the mortgage process I am unfamiliar with and my thought process has generally been it's easier to argue with a large institutions who fear public backlash. Again, this could be wrong, you've got to make your own call on who to borrow from.
  6. Get a pre-approval letter. This letter essentially says that X lender is willing to give you up to Y amount of money. It's not a promise of a mortgage but it's saying the place is likely to work with you. It shows potential buyers you're somewhat serious and your possible income range.
  7. Zillow, Trulia, local newspaper listings, word of mouth. Go find a place. Some people will hire a broker for this, they charge 1-6% of the sale cost, this is usually paid by the seller of the home. Some sellers will not work with a broker, some sellers have their own broker and that broker may not want to split commissions so they'll "ignore" your offer sometimes, sometimes your broker doesn't get you and is just offering you random shit on their books. Looking yourself is a lot of work. Paying someone else is easier but comes with downsides.
  8. Go out there and visit places. Look around for property damage, leaks, mold smell, plug your phone into outlets, test your cell reception, look at the neighborhood, does it look safe is there garbage everywhere, etc. There are potential issues if you buy you'll then have to pay extra money to fix. Leaking roof? Few grand. Mold? Few grand? High cringe area? Potential break-ins and property loss. 9.If you have kids, this complicates matters as you'll want to be near a good zoned school. Same of you're planning for kids over the next few years. How far is your job? Do you plan to stay at that job? Do you plan on job hopping? Is your family nearby? Are you close? How healthy are they? What happens if you need to support them? What happens if they need to support you? All this needs to factor in before buying.
  9. You find a place you love, it's perfect, and the price is right! Make an offer. You and dozens of others will make an offer. Some buyers just want the amount and pre-approval. There's a lot that the sellers can do here but for you, understand that your offer could get passed over. You can play games of offering a higher amount but be careful to not go over budget and be aware the person might be trying to fleece you for more money. Nothing you can do about it other than pay or... Move on. There are other homes out there. The home isn't yours until you paid, moved in and made it a home. Right now is an idea. Move on.
  10. Get a lawyer. They handle the contract of sale between you and the buyer and deal with a ton of other back end paperwork.
  11. Your offer is accepted. Now you've got to go back to your bank with ton of paperwork. This will vary but multiple back statements, multiple pay stubs, multiple years W2s, etc. Did your mom or dad give you a ton of money recently to buy? A notarized letter from them explaining that. Strange mark on your credit history? Proof of explanation of why. The bank will put you through the ringer because they want to make sure that if they give you this money, that you can pay them back. They will analyze a ton of stuff. Folks tout using mortgage brokers and they can help in many of these steps but keep in mind that is an added cost. Whether up front or in the form of a fee that adds cost to your mortgage. Some lenders may have fees for this portion.
  12. The bank/lender will do their own due diligence and tests on the property. You can rely on theirs or pay out of pocket for your own as well. Is it up to code, is the property over baked, etc. The lender can come back and say "we won't lend as this place is a condemned heap" or " we won't lend because what they're asking is way more than what it's worth." You can try another lender at that point or go back to step 8.
  13. The bank is willing to lend and the buyer doesn't back out. Closing. A date is set. Your lawyer will tell you the day, how many checks to bring and what amount, and be prepared to cry as your hand cramps up and sign so many documents, you'll feel like a pop star.

I'm pretty sure I've left off some details and there's a lot of nuance in some steps that can change your experience. The state you live in, the type of place you're buying all play a factor. Co-ops are cheaper but come with their own complications. Same for condos and houses, each with their own perks and flaws. Some folks start and close in 39 days, some people spend months or years in the process. There are those who will go drastically under budget because they value their monthly income, and others who will sacrifice day to day needs to live in their dream homes. If you're buying with a partner, there's tons of factors but the biggest two are being on the same page for finances and the home itself.

Also be wary of advice you receive. Consider who benefits. A realtor only gets paid if you close, so they may try to convince you of things. Your lender, if small, may need your mortgage so might lend or offer you advice to help close that may be in their better interest. Random person on the Internet? Who knows, maybe they're helpful, maybe they're deluded from their experiences, or maybe they're an idiot.

I wish you the best of luck and try not to get discouraged if things take a little while.

Edit: crap, forgot mortgage types. TLDR for most folks a traditional 30 year fixed is safest. If this doesn't sound right for you, you'll need to do a lot more research on your own first before talking to a lender.

[–] SteelbathSuicide 8 points 1 year ago

Just note that although much of this information is applicable it does not seem to be AUS specific, I.e. Zillow and Trulia seem to be US services with realestate.com.au or domain.com.au being the likely Aus equivalent, in addition Australian banks do not typically have the option of 30 year fixed mortgage loans, generally 5 years would be the max offered.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It sounds like you're describing buying in America. This is ausfinance, and although a lot of what you wrote still applies in Australia, there are crucial differences.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You're absolutely right. My apologies. I subscribe to all and was not cognizant of the instance I was in. I

[–] Yoz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

WoW! That's kinda overwhelming. Guess, i'll stick to renting.

[–] otb 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just focus on the first part “get a good mortgage broker” and the rest will come easy. They will better explain budget/deposit/grants etc

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Your mileage may vary with brokers. Some will explain in detail, some will just have you sign and tell you what papers they need or what checks to write.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Firstly, you bend over and spread your cheeks....

[–] Yoz 2 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

My advice would be to find a good mortgage broker. They guide you through the process and can apply to multiple lenders simultaneously. Once you are pre approved you can start shopping. If you make an offer that is accepted on property you will need to engage the services of a conveyancer to sort property handover. Lots of paperwork to sign and from personal experiences it rarely goes smoothly. I would also advice engaging the services of a building/pest inspector prior to handover.

[–] youngalfred 4 points 1 year ago

Second getting a broker - they'll help determine if you're being unreasonable with your budget and know all the ins and outs of the loans.

Plus, they don't cost you anything.

Another really nice to do thing is using decent lawyers. There's a real difference between dirt cheap Conveyancers and a law firm that does real estate. First time we went with the former, and things were missed, they were hard to contact, and we generally felt anxious the whole time. Second time, we went with a firm that the broker recommended and everything was smooth sailing, any queries we had were instantly answered and we generally felt less stressed. It wasn't much more price wise, but really made a difference to the process.

[–] Yoz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How much do brokers and conveyancer normally charge ?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A broker will cost you nothing as your lender will pay them once the loan is established. Another advantage of a broker is a couple of years down the track you can ask them to find you a better interest rate with minimal fuss. As for legal cost I’m not 100% what the going rate is these days. I would expect somewhere between $500-$2000. As the above comment said, a good legal firm is probably not going to be the cheapest. Definitely worth paying for expertise. It’s a small cost in the grand scheme.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Conveyancer cost me about 1k when I bought 10+ years ago

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nothing I'll hasn't been covered in some way already. These are based on my personal experience, so might not reflect everyone's experience. It's also been a few years now, so the market might have changed.

As everyone else has said, a broker is a good first step to see what sort of budget you have to play with. I've always had good experiences with brokers, and they make the borrowing process easier as well.

Once you have a budget, start looking at places. I would recommend not to rush into it. The more you look, the better sense you will get for the market and what things are worth. Go to some auctions, see how they flow and the final prices. Eventually you should get a somewhat decent sense for what something will go for as soon as you look at it based on size, location, quality, etc.

Agents might underquote (advertise places for less than the vendor will actually sell for) to generate interest. Don't be all that surprised if the final price is higher

Obviously never spend more than you can afford. But the more important bit of advice I got was: don't pay more for a property than it's worth.

If they think they can, agents will push you to bump up your offer. They want you to get emotionally invested in a place before squeezing you for a higher price. They'll say things like "if you don't give your best offer, you'll miss out."

There'll be lots of places you like, but someone will offer more. It feels bad when it happens, but never let yourself get sucked into spending more than a place is really worth. You might be paying off that mortgage for 20-30 years and regretting it. Set yourself a price that you think is reasonable, and hold yourself to it. If the agent tries to get you higher just tell them it's more than you think it's worth and the other buyer can have it if they think it's worth more.

[–] Yoz 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks. I think of agents the same i think of scammers so I never believe what they say.

[–] twistypencil 2 points 1 year ago

ALWAYS check the flood factor. Some sites, like redfin and zillow integrate it. You don't want to purchase some place that is going to be underwater in 10 years because of climate change

[–] JackiesFridge 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is some fantastic practical advice here. I'd like to add the gut checks:

Make a list of features you want in your home. How much land? Fireplace? How many square feet? Vaulted ceiling? Skylight? Garden space? Basement? Outbuildings? In town or country? Distance from neighbours? Sort your list by must-haves and dream features and get ready for some give & take. You can modify your list, but write it down so you don't lose track of your dream.

Stick to your budget. My partner and I deliberately picked a budget so that one of us could actually make the payments by ourself if something happened. We closed 4 months before COVID hit and her job disappeared (live entertainment wasn't a thing for a couple years). So I paid the mortgage by myself until she found new employment. A bit of an earlier test than we hoped, but it worked.

Advocate for yourself. A friend saw our house listed and said it ticked most of our dream list. I asked our agent to show us and he balked - turns out he was already representing the sellers and didn't want to tell us about the place (WTF.gif). We told him to figure it out. He was very uncomfortable during (he had to get us the best deal whilst also getting the sellers the most money) but the sellers turned out to be very cool and it all worked out. We were very easygoing with the sellers and their uneven schedule, and they appreciated that (we remain friends with them, so bonus).

Hire a building inspector. It's not a small expense but it will save you some surprises. Ours put together a list of issues from mild annoyances to code violations, including time estimates for major appliances failing (older furnace, etc.). We were able to add stipulations that the big (aka expensive) issues be resolved by the sellers before closing. They agreed and it saved us thousands of dollars and a few headaches.

Don't settle for "needs some work." Even a staunch DIYer needs to live somewhere reliable. You do not want to move into a new home that has issues. Buying a home with the idea that you'll replace the carpeting in a couple years is vastly different to buying a home that needs the floor replaced. Friends of ours bought an old farmhouse for an absolute steal 5 years ago, but it needed to be stripped to the studs and rebuilt. This October will be the first time they will be able to live in it - they've been camping on their own property as they renovated the house. Home repair is always more expensive and time consuming than you plan for.

Remember, you want to live there for a while and not start your homeowner's journey with a series of headaches. Take it slow. Be methodical. Keep your eye on the prize and know when to compromise (and that you shouldn't compromise too much).

We were house shopping for a year before we got lucky. Our current house met our entire dream list, but on a smaller scale than we had hoped (due to our smaller budget). It worked out even though it was a bumpy ride.

Finally: ask questions. The bank wants you to buy a house. The sellers want to sell the house. They will do their best to make it easy and comfortable for you to navigate this process. If you have a broker/agent on your side, even better. All your questions have been asked before, so you will get answers. You won't be navigating in the dark.

[–] Yoz 1 points 1 year ago