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Before the Cold War (perhaps even as early as the late 1930s), capitalists were interested in possessing nuclear weapons for anticommunist purposes, and by late 1945 they devised their first formal plans for committing nuclear strikes against the U.S.S.R.[156] After four decades, the only scientist to leave the Manhattan Project finally admitted this in 1985:

During one such conversation Groves said that, of course, the real purpose in making the bomb was to subdue the Soviets. (Whatever his exact words, his real meaning was clear.) […] Until then I had thought that our work was to prevent [an Axis] victory, and now I was told that the weapon [that] we were preparing was intended for use against the people who were making extreme sacrifices for that very aim. […] When it became evident, toward the end of 1944, that the [Axis] had abandoned their bomb project, […] I asked for permission to leave and return to Britain.

—Joseph Rotblat, [157]

A former military analyst and the U.S.’s highest‐ranking civilian with a military equivalency rank, somebody who had more access to war plans than even the head of state, confirmed this in the 2010s:

  • The basic elements of American readiness for nuclear war remain today what they were almost sixty years ago: Thousands of nuclear weapons remain on hair-trigger alert, aimed mainly at Russian military targets including command and control, many in or near cities. The declared official rationale for such a system has always been primarily the supposed need to deter—or if necessary respond to—an aggressive Russian nuclear first strike against the United States. That widely believed public rationale is a deliberate deception. Deterring a surprise Soviet nuclear attack—or responding to such an attack—has never been the only or even the primary purpose of our nuclear plans and preparations. The nature, scale, and posture of our strategic nuclear forces has always been shaped by the requirements of quite different purposes: to attempt to limit the damage to the United States from Soviet or Russian retaliation to a U.S. first strike against the USSR or Russia. This capability is, in particular, intended to strengthen the credibility of U.S. threats to initiate limited nuclear attacks, or escalate them—U.S. threats of “first use”—to prevail in regional, initially non-nuclear conflicts involving Soviet or Russian forces or their allies.
  • The required U.S. strategic capabilities have always been for a first-strike force: not, under any president, for a U.S. surprise attack, unprovoked or “a bolt out of the blue,” but not, either, with an aim of striking “second” under any circumstances, if that can be avoided by preemption. Though officially denied, preemptive “launch on warning” (LOW)—either on tactical warning of an incoming attack or strategic warning that nuclear escalation is probably impending—has always been at the heart of our strategic alert.

—Daniel Ellsberg (emphasis original), [158]

Simply put, first the anticommunists launch, and then their missile defense mops up any retaliation from the few surviving launch sites. Missile defense could not stop a first strike from the U.S.S.R., therefore a highly capable missile defense system in the hands of the anticommunists was a first strike weapon. A common misconception is that the Soviets’ own work on atomic weapons would have been impossible had they not stolen from the Anglosphere. This is an exaggeration.

When a couple of Berlin’s scientists discovered nuclear fission in December 1938, the Soviets were as quick to react as the liberal states were, but the Soviets were too busy catching up with modernity to prioritize their own nuclear research. When four million anticommunists reinvaded Soviet Eurasia, the Soviets had to temporarily suspend all of their atomic research until a Soviet physicist persuaded Moscow otherwise in 1942, having noticed the extreme secrecy of the Anglosphere’s own atomic research.[159] Then the Soviets witnessed what their Western allies did to Hiroshima:

[T]he news had an acutely depressing effect on everybody. It was clearly realized that this was a New Fact in the world’s power politics, that the bomb constituted a threat to [the Soviet Union], and some Russian pessimists I talked to that day dismally remarked that the [Soviet Union]’s desperately hard victory over the [Third Reich] was now “as good as wasted”.

—Alexander Werth, [160]

Of course, these are by no means the only arguments against the myth that the atomic bombings were military necessities, but one could argue that they are the strongest.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I’m curious what evidence Ellsberg presents in his book (I see it in the citations) that the US nuclear deterrence arsenal is meant as a first strike vector and not solely deterrence. Not that I doubt it, but that’s kind of one of things that if no one says it then how do we know things, which he essentially says as well in the quote.

It sounds like he’s basically saying people in high command have considered the deterrence nukes as something like “lawfare” practiced by a lot of powerful empries in history including the Romans and of course the US. Basically the tactic of passing or using existing laws to put other countries in positions where they are forced to break the law thus the empire can call itself the good guy and simply upholding law and order. The US attempted this with Saddam and the whole WMD situation where the UN laid out stipulations for Iraq to be inspected for WMDs and the US just kept lying saying “they’re breaking the law! We gotta stop them!” With nukes it sounds like he’s saying basically the US intended(intends) to force situations where other countries see multiple thousand ICBMs pointed at them, so they retaliate by building their own nukes to point back. That is then called an aggressive action and potentially cause for a first strike. Or even more cynically, the US launches a first strike after claiming to have detected a strike on the US. “We had indications of ICBM-like projectiles leaving mainland China so the order to retaliate was given. The original report was incorrect.” Basically. And of course such a thing could be totally fabricated, like WMDs in Iraq, or a real mistake. Kinda doesn’t matter when discussing nukes because millions if not billions of people will be dead very quickly and possibly the entire world depending how far shit goes.

What a pleasant thought. If you don’t die to the instant vaporization or the very fast onslaught of various internal issues caused by massive radiation exposure you can look forward to a much slower death due to lower, but still toxic, exposure to radiation. And assuming you somehow avoid all of that you get to live in a barren desert wasteland poisoned by radiation. Cold and dead from lack of sunlight. A world preferable to living under communism, apparently. Own the commies by destroying the world.