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I get an impression that when hearing an accusation of someone being "fascist", some people interpret this is simply a bad word. Like we're kids on a playground, and one kid doesn't like that other kid after sand got in our eyes so they call him a poopyhead. "Ooh, Singh called America's President a fascist, how scandalous! Can you believe he said that?" "Oh, the long haired dude protesting outside the Tesla showroom has a sign that says Musk is a fascist? Such a hysterical drama queen. Kids are so naive."

This idea that fascist is a bad word is not the worst possible interpretation -- fascists were pretty bad, after all. Growing up we studied WWII and the rise of fascism in Europe, the horrors they inflicted on millions of people and the scars they left on the world, lots of bad there. The genocide they inflicted was bad, and the fascists did that because they were racist which is also bad, and so they were all around pretty bad. All of this is true. Cool dudes like Indiana Jones punched those silly nazis in the face, because he was the hero and the nazis were the bad guys who wanted to do bad things.

But this interpretation of what fascist means -- to simply conflate fascists with "bad people we really don't like" is a serious failing to learn from history. Because one thing that gets missed from the history books we read was is why was fascism. (Or, it was there and it never sunk in.) Sure, we covered the societal dissatisfaction emerging from the aftermath of WWI, but that doesn't really get to why the outcome of that was fascism. The people back then could have responded any number of ways, why did that fascism take hold?

What we failed to internalize was that the fascism of the 1930s was probably a pretty fun time for the people participating in it. It would have provided a sense of community, a nationally unified response to what could reasonably be seen as a country in decline. The fascist leaders told their people that their race and their nationality were special, and gave them easy answers and scapegoats to explain away all the problems of a complex and changing world -- this was probably reassuring. The people were told their future would be full of riches, and that the world was filled with villains and that the spoils the great leader would provide would be theirs for the taking -- this was probably inspiring. When the propagandists told them that what they were doing was good and right, and the scapegoat was up to no good, it was probably pretty neat that everyone all had the same take.

The grandiose rallies where they gathered to chant mantras and demonstrate their loyalty would have been engaging community events with audio and visual stimulation that got the blood pumping. You and your neighbours (your true neighbours, not the evil opposition lurking just behind every corner) were all in on this bold adventure together, you were working together with a common goal. You all had the same answer to the problems, there we no debates or confusion about what the truth was. The truth was what the leader said, and everyone who was anyone repeated it -- or they wouldn't be anyone anymore. No complexities, no thinking required. Young men with too much testosterone in their veins probably had a grand time beating up whoever the great leader said to scapegoat that week to help explain all the problems in their lives and to quiet their doubts.

Because what we missed and didn't sink it's way into our souls is that the Germans and Italians in those times were just people. They were farmers and factory workers and weavers and students and salespeople and scientists and teachers and tailors and bakers and longshoremen and everything in between. They were normal people, with the exact same ape brains we still have today. That when we read the pages of history we are not just reading about a record of things that happened, we are reading a script about what people do and events that could easily happen again. That we are not exceptional and our cultural differences with the people we are reading about in history books is dwarfed by the fact that we are the same people now that they were then.

So when we say fascist, it's not simply an insult. It's a cry of desperate warning, to sound an alarm that we have seen this before. We seen how this poison affects people and we have seen how it goes from here. We see it not just in the 1930s Europe but even today in very similar forms in authoritarian China and Russia, and it's been successful there too. And yes indeed, fascism has reared it's ugly head in America -- and the American people are the same flesh and blood as the people who have succumbed to this before. People with an exceptionalist mindset think it can't be happening there. Their friends and neighbours can't be fascists because fascists are the bad guys and obviously their neighbours aren't the bad guys. Their neighbours would never stand by when we lose access to ballots and scapegoats get sent to gas chambers and everyone's kids march off to die in foolish wars -- only bad guys would do that. Our neighbours are normal people, not bad guys.

Because we read the textbooks and we passed our multiple choice tests, but we didn't learn. History is an account of what normal people did.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 10 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Seriously good job on this.

I think you captured the mundanity of it all really well, and the mindset that "it can't happen here".

Whats happening seems bad, but it's just a little out of the ordinary. Nothing crazy is going to happen. Not like those stories of bad people doing evil things. We're not like that, were good people. I don't need to do anything in particular to address things. In a year there will be a new iPhone, in two a new Olympics, and in four years there'll be a new President. Everything is normal, everything is fine.

Unfortunately, a normalcy bias seems to be pretty baked into the pattern-recognition part of our brains. It's all to easy to disregard the warning signs and take for granted that things will continue as they "always" have—that is, within our exceedingly short memories. When it comes to current geopolitics, as for climate change, I'm struggling to hold on to any belief in our collective willingness to do something, anything about what's coming.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

When it comes to current geopolitics, as for climate change, I'm struggling to hold on to any belief in our collective willingness to do something, anything about what's coming.

I’ll try to shine some optimism here.

The absolute collapse of Tesla sales around the world is inspiring. People are willing to change and vote with their wallets. US tourism and exports are suffering. Europe and Canada and others are collaborating on security and trade.

Canadians have recognize the danger we are in and have began to rally against the weak-kneed PP and his fellow MAGA. Even most of our right-wing Premiers are working for Canada and against this.

It’s not all lost, not for us. Not if we keep pushing — and I’m going to keep pushing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Good point. It's all to easy to fall into doomerism, but that itself is a self-fulfilling prophecy. I'm doing what I can in my life (getting involved in local organizating, living car free, reducing my consumption to a minimum, etc.) but it's still difficult to watch the world seem to spiral towards the brink.

The flip side of looking at history for guidance is the fact that the future isn't written. As much as we are the same kind of people as those in history it doesn't mean we have to make the same choices. There are some pretty major factors at play that are different this time around, and we can choose to learn from our past. That said, whether those factors—like the revolutions in communication and the advent of the uber-wealthy—will have a positive or negative impact remains to be seen I guess.

Looks like cautious optimism shadowed by doubt is the best you'll get out of me haha.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

Palingenetic ultranationalism

And/Or

Umberto Eco's 14 points

Are relevant here as very concise and somewhat less concise definitions, respectively.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I think it's more that people have been using the word fascist as a perjorative for a while so it's kind of lost all meaning. Like, folks were calling George W a fascist which seems to stretch the definition so far so as to be meaningless.

And then we did again in 2016 which seemed kind of more accurate but also a little silly to the point that when actual scary fascist shit happened at the end, people had tuned the word out.

Now, it just feels impotent, which is a very bad thing.

It's sort of like how people kept claiming Israel is run by nazis etc, I get the appeal of the term and dislike what's happening but goddamnit, just makes us look silly in the court of public opinion.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Not too long ago I would have made the same argument you did here. Now, I’m less sure.

Part of me is still inclined to agree, but another part wonders if they were just better at recognizing patterns and acknowledging the kinds of difficult truths contained in my op-ed.

Bush2 did instigate a war which coincided with getting public support for his second term. He only got into power in the first place because their courts decided not to count the votes on a partisan split. Republicans deny US citizens in Washington DC or Puerto Rico the right to vote, gerrymander districts to disenfranchise minorities, and work to limit ballot access whenever the demographics suit them.

Is this fascism? Especially with the benefit of hindsight it feels at least a little like the beginnings of it.

How much of my willingness to stand up and say that here and now, these patterns are fascism — how much comes from the fact that their barrels are pointed at me now? Now it’s serious, because a middle-aged white guy like me is affected? At least part of my brain is telling me that actually no I was the coward with my head in the sand the whole time.

In the end I don’t know for certain you’re wrong. But either way, many of us in Canada are seeing this now and we can stand up to it. It might be too late for the Americans but it isn’t for us.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Is this fascism? Especially with the benefit of hindsight it feels at least a little like the beginnings of it.

But I think this is exactly the issue.

Folks calling Bush a fascist 20 years ago weren't saying "this is a little like the beginnings" which would be a reasonable statement (not sure how far I agree but I don't think it's lunacy.)

And I think that lack of distinction really hurt us and robbed the word of its meaning, which has cost us now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Maybe you’re right… I don’t know. I wasn’t kidding when said part of me agreed with you from the start. But regardless, we can’t change the past.

Perhaps you can choose different words than me and reach the Canadian right in a way to help them understand where the path they are going down leads. That they need to choose a different path. I’ll stand with you when you do.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The court of public opinion just sees fascism as "Jews in ovens", so maybe that court shouldn't be considered.

If yiu break down the 14 points in Ur-Fascism, you can map most of them onto the United States on a good day. Possibly all of them if you dig into the sociology of the country. This really points to the US as just being a fascist state, and it being a fascist country culturally.

America is what fascism looks like when it's not at ear, and when it doesn't have a dictator at its head. That's why the moment someone who fancies themselves a dictator comes to power, the whole place is recognizably fascist.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

The court of public opinion just sees fascism as "Jews in ovens", so maybe that court shouldn't be considered.

That's literally the only court that matters when you're trying to warn the populace of something.