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[–] disguy_ovahea 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

10 of the last 11 recessions happened under Republican presidents. Recessions are more effective at widening wealth inequality than even the most aggressive tax plan changes. The longer the recession, the higher the damage goes into the middle class, as privately owned businesses begin to fold and get scooped up by corporations.

[–] Valmond -4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The silver lining is that it'll fuck up russias economy even worse

[–] disguy_ovahea 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Russia’s stock market has been in a boom since Trump began his tariff tantrums.

https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/stock-market

[–] Valmond 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Wow yeah that'll save them lol.

No, their economy is in dire straits all right.

[–] disguy_ovahea 1 points 7 hours ago

Oh for sure. This is just a representation of how Russian oligarchs are doing, not the working class.

[–] surewhynotlem 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Valmond 1 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Because russia is not prepared at all for a recession. They have high inflation and stagnation at the moment (because of burning cash for the war, among other things), this is called "stagflation" and is just by itself a hopeless mess; if you up the steering rate to stop the stagnation and you kill the economy (the rate is already at a ridiculous 21%), lower the rate to favor economic growth and the inflation (which is according to the kremlin somewhere at 10%, but at over 70% for food according independent alalysists) will spiral out of control.

It's already an impossible problem to solve, add a global recession and it just gets way worse.

[–] surewhynotlem 2 points 4 hours ago

No, I mean why would US economics affect Russia, a country that's famously not tied to our financial system?

[–] aesthelete 1 points 4 hours ago

It's a problem you encounter because money is just an abstraction for real world conditions and resources. I think people forget that. Printing more money doesn't make your country magically have more resources. It doesn't manufacture tanks for you or vanquish your enemies.

I still remember the picture from the history book where in Germany between ww1 and ww2 they were burning bank notes for warmth because inflation made the currency almost completely worthless.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Anyone with more than two functioning brain cells between their ears knows that whatever Trump is doing is harming the American economy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Trump just needs an executive order saying stock prices can’t go down. Problem solved. But since the rich get richer in downturns, I’m sure he will be told not to.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've been seeing articles about a recession hitting for the last 5 years. They will predict a recession till they are correct.

[–] aesthelete 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Yeah but they've got actual reasons for it to occur right now. It may be theoretically possible that long-term Trump's tariffs will cause US companies to return manufacturing to the US and cause manufacturing (and the greater economy) to eventually rise in activity. But even if it worked long-term (which it won't for any reasonable definition of "working") it would cause short-term pain.

But the unemployment rate is low, the US really doesn't have the tooling, manpower, nor the raw resources to regress to the industrial and economic models of centuries ago. If -- for instance -- we're in 2025 trying in earnest to become the best textile-manufacturing country, a recession won't even begin to cover what's happening at the macroeconomic level. It'll be more a depression, collapse, or a crisis we're not even measuring anymore...a US-specific, self-inflicted little dark age.

Realizing things like this in actuality would essentially require a successful Pol Pot maneuver, which is impossible.