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I had met this lady a few weeks ago who did numerology sessions on the side of her regular job. She had offered me a session at the time and I had refused. I ended up finding her number a few weeks later and had arranged to book a session.

I had been seeing all these numbers repeating, and thought, why not have some fun, right? I don't really believe in that kinda stuff, but it would be interesting to see what values people ascribe to things as random as numbers, and see what I think about it. An hour session was gonna come out to upwards of 200+ dollars 💀 .

I apologised saying I should've asked for a quote beforehand, but she tries to call me (I didn't pick up) and she then texts me that "people usually call me when they're in need and I recommend the session", but it's like...of course you would, you're making 200+ dollars off of me lol.

No disrespect to her, but I hate that everyday interactions are warped by profit 😓. I get everyone has to eat, but damn, wtf?

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[–] Shalakushka 35 points 1 year ago

Well, numerology is a scam as a whole, so that makes sense.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

It's literally just a charlatan scam, like homeopathy, tarot card readings, psychics and mediums, etc. The people who perform that are some of the lowest of the low: they admit that people who come to them are at a bad point in their life and very in need of help, and they prey on that because it's an opportunity for quick money. Vulnerable people who don't question your bullshit, that's an easy mark.

(Edit: tarot, not taro)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Lesson definitely learned. There's always people looking for fools to finesse. I wouldn't have minded if it was like 30 a session, but 200+ is disrespectful. I think I intentionally rejected the offer because I also wanted to see how she would react. I figured if she left it alone, then she was probably someone a lot of people had reached out to before. Lo and behold, she tries to call me back within a few minutes to try and finesse me lol.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

taro is a root vegetable, you're thinking about tarot cards.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

The vegetable is also a scam. Edible plates? Get outta here!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's funny. I literally searched because I couldn't remember which was the root vegetable and which was the card thing. And somehow I still got it wrong.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

lol that's hilarious :P

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

The people who perform that are some of the lowest of the low: they admit that people who come to them are at a bad point in their life and very in need of help, and they prey on that because it's an opportunity for quick money.

Not really disagreeing with your overall point, but some of the scam stuff is done by people who sincerely think they're helping, and some of those really do help people feel better.

Again, you're not wrong, but I don't feel like all of them are malicious.

I used to act like I could read palms (not for money, just for fun) and you'd be surprised the number of people that can be cold-read into pretty sincere self epiphanies.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I completely agree, these grifters target the most exploited sectors of the population that are gullible enough to believe in this sort of stuff.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Tarot apparently has actually benefit as a tool for self-introspection, and has a decent community of people who believe in it without wanting any profit from it, but i imagine the industry as a whole is garbage

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I think everyone here agrees numerology is a scam with zero scientific evidence.

What does lemmygradians think of traditional Chinese medicine?

The scientific reasoning behind specifically acupuncture and cupping sound 100% like bullshit to me, but anecdotally it works for relieving chronic pain for my partner. Go figure.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I’m sure there’s a lot of traditional medicine that works, but the superstitious explanations are annoying. Just tell me the science behind it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Traditional medicine, Chinese or otherwise, is bullshit. If some tincture happens to have some active ingredient that actual does something, then that ingredient has almost certainly been studied by actual scientists, purified, dosed, and available as a safe (relatively) form at your local pharmacy.

Acupuncture and cupping in particular are no better than placebo at relieving pain. Any temporary relief your partner receives from them is no better than a sugar pill that they are convinced will help them, or no better than the pain relief of a massage. What does everyone do when they bang their knee or elbow on something hard? We rub it. Why? Because rubbing stimulates the surrounding nerves and that extra stimulation helps to drown out and dull the sharp pain…temporarily. Any pain relief from acupuncture and cupping is no different and isn’t permanent. Your partner would be better off going to a licensed physical therapist, with an actual doctorate degree and deep understanding of anatomy. They will not only know techniques to temporarily relieve the pain, but also will be able to provide a custom exercise plan to strengthen the affected area to help prevent repeat injury.

Also a lot of non-scientific “medicine” is extremely dangerous. I know people have had serious injuries from acupuncture, but chiropractors are the worse. Don’t let anyone you care about go to a chiropractor. At best you become a repeat customer and waste a lot of money on a glorified massage from someone pretending to be a doctor, and at worst you end up a paraplegic or dead.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don’t let anyone you care about go to a chiropractor.

Some of the stuff I've seen on YouTube and tiktok is horrific.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Interestingly enough, their physiotherapist has incorporated acupuncture techniques into the practice.

You see. Patients with chronic pain will try everything. Sometimes at the same time. Scientific, traditional, experimental... They are "happy" to be test subjects, because pain is just too depressing. And after common medicine fails for enough years, maybe the tradeoff of becoming a test subject and discussing the issue with more peers is worth it.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with everything you said, I'm just exposing another perspective on the theme.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don’t let anyone you care about go to a chiropractor

I know there’s some quackers, but aren’t there some legit ones who don’t do cracking stuff that don’t claim to be able to fix everything?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

There may be some chiropractors that know it is a sham and therefore don’t do some of the more dangerous maneuvers out of fear of hurting someone and getting sued. But I’m not taking those risks and the entire practice is pseudoscience nonsense.

https://nypost.com/2022/07/13/georgia-woman-paralyzed-after-routine-chiropractor-visit/

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What does lemmygradians think of traditional Chinese medicine?

I'm sure some of it actually works, and some of it might not really work, but have a positive benefit due to the placebo effect or whatever.

Stuff doesn't have to be really true to be helpful - addiction isn't a disease, but "addiction as a disease" is a model that's helped a lot of people.

I don't really have a dog in the fight as long as unproved medicine/treatment isn't used in place of real, proven medicine. If it's just a supplemental thing I don't see any harm in it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

If traditional/alternative medicine worked, it would just be called medicine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

traditional chinese medicine is complicated. There's a lot of good stuff, and plenty of famous doctors came from ancient China. This does not mean, however, that you should take random herbs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I wonder who the serial downvoter here is. Angry secularist mad that people are talking about numerology and downvoting every comment as a reflex? Someone a bit on the "peace and love man" side who believes all this stuff and is mad people are pointing out it is a scam?

Or perhaps...perhaps a certain thermonuclear individual's numbers lined up just right and he felt compelled to downvote...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is all based off my first and secondhand experience:

Some of these people are legit. Many of them are mostly frauds or total frauds. The thing is, it being $200 an hour isn't a clear indicator in either direction.

I've paid (adjusted for pre-COVID inflation) roughly the same amount to psychics and spirit mediums, and my experience ranged from "this was formative and life changing and nobody will believe half of it if I even tried", to "bits of this felt important and related to motifs or thoughts/feelings I've had, but overall questionable and possible even just good coincidence and guess work," to "this was a complete waste of money towards someone who looks at me with contempt as a score and nothing else."

I definitely am well aware of the risk of wasting my money when procuring such services. And, truth be told, I've had plenty of valuable experiences from friends or strangers that costed nothing. But, I also know that if I could hone my skills and reliably use such powers, I could see myself charging whatever was necessary in order to stay dedicated to the field and not have to work elsewhere.

137 = 444

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Also, if you want to further your schizomania/have a laugh:

spoiler


This is some Gematria in my journal. It has helped illuminate a lot of things in my life.

If you're interested in Gematria, it's an easy way to engage with numbers without a middleman.

[–] TokenBoomer 0 points 1 year ago

What were the numbers you saw repeating? Before 2020, I watched tarot readings on YouTube before the election. Give it a try. It was hilarious how vague they were and how they contradicted each other.