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Swedish government wants a back door in signal for police and 'Säpo' (Swedish federation that checks for spies)

Let's say that this becomes a law and Signal decides to withdraw from Sweden as they clearly state that they won't implement a back door; would a citizen within the country still be able to use and access Signals services? Assuming that google play services probably would remove the Signal app within Sweden (which I also don't use)

I just want the government to go f*ck themselves, y'know?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Then they get it through fdroid?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No, probably not. They both speak the same protocol and talk to the same servers.

Unless the block was a app store distribution restriction only

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It probably is/was/will be just the app store.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Even if it's not Molly could implement Tor or any sort of bridge to bypass these restrictions (such as Signal themselves)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

It would be very weird if it was - when a "ban" happens, at least here, they block the website. I doubt Sweden would fight even basic Wireguard/OpenVPN tho, so I don't see it as a big problem. The bigger problem would be carriers denying registration confirmation SMS, which is yet another downside of the phone number requirement.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Briar has entered the chat

(No central servers and everything goes through Tor, try blocking that!)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Sweden… more like snitchden… amirite?

[–] JoeKrogan 6 points 3 days ago

They will probably just show message to Swedish ip addresses and state that they cannt provide you with the binary as you are using a Swedish ip.

Something very clear to say use a VPN 😉

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is where Signal's biggest problem shows. It's centralized. Matrix is the better choice since it will be up to you if you decide to break the law if it's banned, since there will still be plenty of servers you can reach.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

yes. but transition takes time and my mom just installed signal last year. we will get there for sure.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I moved my whole family over to Signal specifically because it was so easy. SimpleX is easier than Matrix, imo, but when Matrix is equally as easy to set up as Signal, then we'll see where things are.

The only big issue I've heard with Matrix is the current implementation doesn't scale well, due to how servers are required to clone data (or something). I think they're working on a fix, but it's still not ready for prime time, I think.

[–] doodledup 3 points 2 days ago
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