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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by tomsh to c/autism
 

There is a testing clinic near me that deal with treating depression using psychedelic substances. I'm wondering if any of you have tried something similar, referring to psychedelic substances, and if so, how did it go? In the past, I occasionally experimented with cannabis, but over time, it didn't sit well with me anymore. Does anyone have such experiences?

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[–] BackOnMyBS 8 points 1 year ago

My response is entirely anecdotal from personal experiences and friends. They are not based on any scientific research.

I've tried both LSD and shrooms. They've been my favorite since they aren't about feeling high. It's not about elevating your mood like marijuana, cocaine, extracy. They aren't about making you chill like alcohol, benzos, and opioids. The best way I can describe it is that it feels like you have more conscious access to your brain. It's like a lot of the filters that control your perception are removed or altered. While most people focus on the hallucinations, I think the important part is the access to your mind. Another bonus is that since they aren't about getting that emotional high, they're not addictive.

On each occasion, I've left the trip with a new outlook on life. It's like I have all these things that are hidden from my consciousness, and bringing them into awareness helps me address them. I have a friend that live sin the mountains and drops shrooms regularly every 3-4 months as a reset. It helps him readjust his priorities and get back to his life's purpose.

I've heard accounts where things went bad, but I haven't had that experience. If you're with a trained professional, you might be in good hands. There are videos online of reputable people going to South America and trying ayahuasca, so that might be something you'd be interested in watching.

If you try it out, please report back and let us know how it went!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, I've never done it in a professional setting.

But anecdotally I've gotten relief from recreational use.

[–] tomsh 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Interesting. If you don't mind, could you please share more?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I can try. Do you have any specific questions?

[–] tomsh 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nothing special. I wonder if it can be life-changing or just relieving, and in what ways.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I would consider it life changing, yes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You've said you already experimented with cannabis and it wasn't your thing, but for everyone else reading, this is my experience with it.

THC (exclusively in edibles) has been a mixed-but-overall-positive bag for me. I believe it, in conjunction with therapy, helped me understand my own cognition better, especially on a gut-level, and especially after having been on an emotional plateau for years. It allowed me to viscerally experience emotions and sensations I hadn't felt in a long time, experience trains of thought different from my default, reexperience the childlike sense of wonder in many things, and overall spurred me on towards self-improvement - all helpful to me in pursuit of coming to terms with ASD and lacking interoception.

That all said, it's not without side effects. If your environment and/or headspace aren't right, your high can go sour and lead you towards unpleasant trains of thought (it's a psychoactive, after all). Withdrawal symptoms for me feel like a blunted inverse of everything positive about THC, and if you use too frequently, it can potentially last for days. And of course, inebriation is not everyone's cup of tea, munchies can potentially be a dietary concern, and cottonmouth is unpleasant whether you're high or not (although I found this got much, much easier to manage later on).

My advice: Don't do too much at once - knowing exactly how much is too much comes with experience and keeping a mental tab on your tolerance, but if you're completely new, start with 5mg and wait. Take regular breaks for the sake of your tolerance and mental health - even one day has an impact. Do it in a location where you're comfortable and not likely to be paranoid about other people knowing you're high. Try to enjoy it, but if you aren't and can't shake a bad trip for whatever reason, it can be a valuable learning experience all the same. Talk about your experiences with someone to get those thoughts and emotions out of your head (which is worth doing in general, weed or no weed). Overall, be a responsible adult about it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I took around 20 micrograms of LSD once, and i didn't have a sitter. Worst experience of my entire life - if you have any sort of visual or sensory sensitivity I personally recommend you stay far away, just anecdotally

[–] tomsh 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have no issues with visual or other senses, and many nt's say the same thing as you, although in the end, many of them admit that the experience was necessary for them. Of course, I'm talking about the purpose of healing or spiritual growth, not just having fun :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You must be sensitive to it, then. Sensitivity varies from person to person. 20 µg might be an "in-between" dose for you already, which is clearly above a microdose but not yet in the psychedelic range. You experience elevated sensory sensitivity and some of the side-effects (woozyness), which can make such "half doses" uncomfortable. A microdose would be around 5 µg, and it shouldn't have that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Psychedelics can be used accompanying professional depression treatment. It should be said, though, that they are not antidepressants but kind of dissociatives (LSD, mushroom) or "integratives" (my own term with cactus/mescalin). Another thing is MDMA, which is not psychedelic but indeed acts as an antidepressant (all chakra opener, as i call it, but it's actually borrowing a serotonin flood from the reserves).

The most important thing to tell anyone for safe use, is to know your substance before taking it: dosage and what to expect. Also, start low, as the personal sensitivity can not be known before trying. https://erowid.org is a site which can give a lot of curated information, reports from people etc.
The other thing is to have an intention which might be broad, like "i want to go introspective". From that comes the important attention to set (one's mindset and general state at the time) and setting (one wants to be in a comfortable place, be comfortable with the people around if any, probably be outside not in closed rooms, time of the day, moon phase, joice of a sitter or guide, etc).

What i mean by "dissociative" is that it can help set oneself aside from one's mind and ego/psyche, so as to get to see one's own functioning/patterns from a distanced POV. Or as @BackOnMyBS already put it, a "more conscious access to one's brain". -- Given one has the intent of having that. (One can also have the intent to just free oneself for intuitive dancing to trance music with LSD ... it's a tool after all. And the outcome can never be exactly predicted.)

Yes it can be life-changing. Be aware of that, one might get insight in things that other people are just not aware of, and that may not be easy to put in words. After the experience, "integrating" the new discoveries in everyday life is an important part, and having people who can help get a clear mind with that might be a good idea.
My first mushroom trip gave me an idea to what extent my perception of one and the same world can be altered, and how much my perception is being simplified by those filters in the brain which allow us all to go without being overwhelmed by excessive sensory detail -- and to what extent other people's perception of the world could potentially be different from mine.

Then there is this certain entheogenic aspect, especially with the natural stuff (plants, fungi), which after a while made me go a spiritual path. Although i would say there is no such thing as a bad trip, there are certainly challenging experiences possible. Things once seen, can not be made unseen. Psychedelics must be discouraged if there is a possibility of schizophrenia or during episodes of anxiety. It shoud be expected that current states get amplified during the experience, so getting into anxiety loops could teach some due respect. A sitter (an experienced person who is sober and doesn't interfere) or a trip guide (an experienced person who goes on the trip themselves) is recommended for the un-initiated.

All of the above is for the "psychedelic" dosage which one doesn't usually want to take very often. There's another way to take certain substances, that is more like a medication, and that is microdosing. Using 5-10 µg of LSD can help me "be present", to alleviate me above my psychologic patterns, liberate me from anxiety, and get me in balance psychologically as well as physically. Sensitivity varies from person to person. I did microdose approximately every 3 days for several years now, with occasionally some weeks/months off. My goal was to see if taking it as a medication could help re-wire the brain for good. One finding of mine in that direction is that i had to reduce the dosage over time (it's easy to notice when i'm "over the top"), and that after a while i often feel no necessity to take it.
So far, i know of one person who i'd say is addicted to "microdosing" LSD (well, they call it MD but they take far too much IMO, and mix with MDMA), yet i would address that to the general patterns and habits of that person rather than to an addictiveness of LSD per se.

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