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[–] disguy_ovahea 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Provided his actual message were broadcast by the media. He’d lose a sizable chunk of liberals if the media painted him as a “radical regressive socialist” again.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I've seen the arguments but I don't think Bernie wins a national campaign, especially as you noted in a media environment where most legacy media outlets are owned by a few billionaires each of whom have a material interest in seeing him lose. The forces that would align against him are simply too great, and the American voter is simply too incapable of voting in their own best interests.

In a more abstract sense, I just don't believe that the same American voters that can elect a hateful asshole like Trump could also elect Bernie. They would be better off if they did. But they never could.

[–] return2ozma -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They called Obama, Clinton, Biden, Harris communists, socialists, Marxist.

[–] disguy_ovahea 3 points 1 day ago

True, but name calling by the right isn’t the same as the media skewing the narrative presented to Democrats. Bernie’s message on left-leaning media was portrayed as socialist.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I don't believe it. As a Dutchman, I see it all over Europe too. The classic working man parties started catering to white collar some time ago, and the blue collars don't want to hear it anymore. Bernie would still be a democrat, just like Biden, Obama and the Clintons. People didn't see change during their presidencies, and they don't believe anymore that this time it's going to be different. So you get to see the kind of people that we used to laugh at in the nineties ruling countries right now.