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I've noticed something about anarchists that i find pretty funny: they'll praise marxist revolutions and revolutionaries AS LONG AS they dont actually succeed. (lemmygrad.ml)

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You'll see anarchists praising Rosa Luxemburg, who if they had actually read her writings -- they would see that she was very clearly one of the "authoritarian" socialists that they rail against so much.

You see them praise the Black Panthers, who were supported financially by the DPRK and aligned themselves with the Juche ideology of Kim Il Sung.

They even praise Thomas Sankara, who purged anarchists and arrested syndicalists.

If these people had succeeded, i have no doubt in my mind that anarchists would call them "tankies," they would call their experiments "capitalism with a red flag." And I also have no doubt in my mind that if the October Revolution, Chinese Revolution had been crushed, they would hail Lenin and Mao as proletarian heroes.

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[–] DudePluto 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Noob Q: why is it always anarchist vs authoritarian? Surely there's a middle ground?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I doubt very much that they have ever read Rosa Luxemburg. The most they pick up on is the nonsense that Luxemburg had something against the Russian revolution, which is not true.

Anarchism lacks a materialist basis. Above all, an understanding of the role of the state.

The differences between anarchism and Marxism were decided well over 100 years ago. Those works are still relevant, so it is enough to read them.

[–] pleasemakesense 1 points 2 years ago

Rosa Luxemburg's writings are more closely related to Trotskyism and disagrees with the notion of a monolithic party, essentionally saying it isn't democratic enough. It's a derivative of marxism just like anarchism i.e. it doesn't subscribe to many of the ideas of leninism.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

SMH. I can't wait until Hexbear federates so sectarians can have the sectarianism bullied out of them.

[+] mo_ztt -17 points 2 years ago (17 children)

Why put the Black Panthers in here? 🤨

The Black Panther platform, as I understand it, was:

We want freedom. We want power to determine the destiny of our Black Community.
We want full employment for our people.
We want an end to the robbery by the Capitalists of our Black Community.
We want decent housing, fit for shelter of human beings.
We want education for our people that exposes the true nature of this decadent American society. We want education that teaches us our true history and our role in the present day society.
We want all Black men to be exempt from military service.
We want an immediate end to POLICE BRUTALITY and MURDER of Black people.
We want freedom for all Black men held in federal, state, county and city prisons and jails.
We want all Black people when brought to trial to be tried in court by a jury of their peer group or people from their Black Communities, as defined by the Constitution of the United States.
We want land, bread, housing, education, clothing, justice and peace.

The Juche platform is:

We must give our all in the struggle to unify the entire society with the revolutionary ideology of the Great Leader Kim Il Sung.
We must honor the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung with all our loyalty.
We must make absolute the authority of the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung.
We must make the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung's revolutionary ideology our faith and make his instructions our creed.
We must adhere strictly to the principle of unconditional obedience in carrying out the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung's instructions.
We must strengthen the entire party's ideology and willpower and revolutionary unity, centering on the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung.
We must learn from the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung and adopt the communist look, revolutionary work methods and people-oriented work style.
We must value the political life we were given by the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung, and loyally repay his great political trust and thoughtfulness with heightened political awareness and skill.
We must establish strong organizational regulations so that the entire party, nation and military move as one under the one and only leadership of the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung.
We must pass down the great achievement of the revolution by the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung from generation to generation, inheriting and completing it to the end.

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