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Viral Zoom Court Driver Finally Gets His Learner’s Permit (www.thedailybeast.com)

submitted 5 months ago by jeffw to c/upliftingnews

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[–] DontTreadOnBigfoot 44 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm so confused by this situation.

From the article, it appears that he exists in a perpetual liminal state between having and not having a license, state id, and driving privileges.

[–] ilmagico 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I'm very confused as well.

Harris had never had a driver’s license—only a state ID—and in fact had had his driving privileges suspended last year.

How can you suspend someone's driving privileges if they never had them in the first place?

[+] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Ok…. But it’s the license that grants you the privilege to drive…

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

A State ID is used to buy booze and plane tickets. A Driver's Licence is a State ID with a driving endorsement. Above that, there are then license endorsements like CDL (semi trucks), motorcycle, limo/chauffeur above standard driver.

Different types of ID for different purposes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Ok, but none of that explains how you can drive legally without a license

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

“Necessary but not sufficient condition,” e.g. the light in your room might be off, but “suspending your light privileges” is easy at the breaker box.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

No. You’re still not making it make sense.

You’re trying to tell everyone that you can legally drive without a license.

Of course you can drive without a license, but not legally. A learner’s permit is a type of license.

So how do you suspend a license that the guy didn’t have?

What is the breaker box in your analogy? Breaking the guy’s legs?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

What is the breaker box in your analogy? Breaking legs?

lol I meant a [circuit] breaker box (aka power/ac panel, breaker panel, distribution board, etc)

So how do you suspend a license that the guy didn’t have?

It’s just a minor legal misnomer. If a defendant happens to not have a driver’s license in the first place, suspension could be more accurately termed “prevention.” Logistically speaking, the state probably just generates a stub file/account with a valid license number then just adds the suspension to that empty driving record.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Oh. Ok, I think I get it now… but it’s still weird.

I’m not actually sure how that would work here… I do know that you can’t renew your license or plates without paying all overdue fines though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Since he already has a state ID, he already has an account. So they don't even need to stub it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think, and I apologize in advance if I get this wrong, the part you may not be understanding is that it seems he never had a license to operate a vehicle. The state can still charge a person with suspending driving privileges legally, however, which would then likely stop their ability to apply for a license, and be a gateway to stack further charges in the event they were caught twice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah we finally got that cleared up a little further down :)

I actually don’t know what happens in that situation where I live.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

It is definitely a very American oddity, and possibly Michigan-specific as well, as each state's laws can vary significantly. Like, Michigan let's you know when your license is about to expire by mail. Colorado, by comparison, cares not one bit, and it is up to you to remember to renew. Colorado IDs are tied to your birthday, however, while MI is an arbitrary date at day of issue. We like to keep things so complicated in the US that nobody really ever knows what is going on. Probably by design or "freedom" or something.

[–] MehBlah 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

To my understanding from watching Leto's Law https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMljRGC0eBJrxbUorWEnasg It was a standard practice by the state which didn't have a box to tick off for no license.

Edit: His channel is a rabbit hole of stupid legal shit.

Edit2: Here is one of his videos on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK-gZuojPvw

[–] dohpaz42 31 points 5 months ago

That’s good. Sometimes people make mistakes, and sometimes people should be able to rectify those mistakes. Good for him!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The guy has been driving for years without a license, and this is uplifting news? Huh? What an I missing?

[–] jeffw 3 points 5 months ago

He’s putting his life back on track. I thought it was a good vibe

[–] MehBlah 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That story quickly turned on him and all the wounded snowflakes who were saying he was the victim shit up and crawled back in to their bubble.

[–] NickwithaC 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They what?

[–] MehBlah 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

shit, shut. Whats the difference really.

[–] Thcdenton 5 points 5 months ago

Sellout

[–] Etterra 1 points 5 months ago

Viral ~~Zoom Court Driver~~ Meme Finally Gets His Learner's Permit