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Parts of eastern Japan are expected to reach 38 to 39 degrees Celsius, with the Meteorological Agency warning temperatures could hit previous records.

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[–] Mateoto 57 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We are somehow still not panicking and see that as a point of no return for climate change. These temperatures are still the lowest ones we will experience from now on.

Hopefully, some ignorant people or even climate change deniers will switch their positions and actually support green policies now.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately, a lot of folks in power would happily watch the world burn if it means they stay in power. They know they’re rich enough that it won’t hurt them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A lot of deniers switch to some weird form of defiant stoicism, and pride themselves in taking that stance. I don't believe there's ever going to be any switch until the hurt is economic, and that might happen locally in some places, but not globally.

I am really scared for the daughters I have, in what kind of shit show they will have to live. But the scale of suffering this is going to cause is beyond the ability of our brains to process, and it will come down on the poorest and most vulnerable on the planet, and I have to say that is something that remains constant throughout modern history.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

they'll blame climate scientists for not warning them earlier. or not being louder with their warnings.

ETA: typos, because cat bit my fingers

[–] realbaconator 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For deniers, it getting hotter will never work. There’s an argument about the world being in a long cycle between hot eras & ice ages and temperature records don’t mean much when accurate records only go back one or two hundred years.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

We got enough temperature records from ice core samples etc.

It's just that the deniers are not operating in good faith. There is no argument. The science is very sound on this matter.

[–] mx3m 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Still the thumbnail shows people at the beach instead of dry river banks or the handful of remaining wild animals dying in our burning forests…

This is the equivalent of illustrating an article about the “possible danger of smoking cigarettes “ in the 60/70s and illustrating it with a cool picture of James Dean having a smoke.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

The CBC article on this had an ad placement for a gigantic pick up truck right in the middle.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, poor people are fucked.. As much as I want to hope, it will be the poorest who will pay the greatest price. It has always been true for almost every major crisis in the world...

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everyone's fucked. We'll see mass migrations and mass deaths among poor people. and then the civilised world as we know it would end because it is sustsined by the labour provided by poor people.

There'll be no one to do the lowly paid but extremely important jobs. Will the wealthy grow & pick their own crops? rear and slaugter their own meat? fish fr their lobsters? or clear up garbage? or operate the sewage treatment plant?

[–] kicksystem 2 points 1 year ago

Hopefully we can stop slaughtering animals full stop.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@stopthatgirl7 42 to 50 degrees here in Africa 🫠🫠

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That is beyond not ok. Nope.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jesus. That got more intense with each paragraph

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

The article forgot to mention that starting in April'23, South Asia experienced a an almost 3-month long killer heat wave.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Asia_heat_wave

Before the unexpectedly heavy rains that is killing people in India now, India witnessed a heatwave like never-before . We are used to heatwaves, but this year has been really grim. So many people died that the central govt & the UP state govt got scared and refused to classify these deaths due to heatstroke/ heatwave.
India's PM Modi has publicly said "climate is not changing, we are changing" and accepting these deaths as due to heatwave caused by climate change would embarrass the dictator. so it doesn't get acknowledged and nothing will be done to manage it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This is also a El Nino year, and the start of the El Nino cycle. An El Nino cycle is typically 2-7 years long. So we'll experience even more disrupted rain cycles. For rain & monsoon dependent economies this'll be hell. Plus lesser rains means hotter & drier weather, longer droughts and food shortages.

Is there a term for more hellish/ worse than the current hell? We'll all be needing that term.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been thrown off by "An El Nino cycle is typically 2-7 years long." But the Wikipedia page really says this.

However, I believe this is meant as the time between El Niño years, not how long a single El Niño pattern sticks.

Looking at history records (NOAA) makes me think so.

If anyone can clarify, please feel free to educate me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're right. The ENSO (El Niño Southern Oscillation) cycle can take up to 7 years, but that's the entire cycle (El Niño, La Niña, and neutral). El Niño conditions may only last months. La Niña typically lasts longer.
This year, they expect El Niño conditions to continue at least til the end of the year.
Also, this past La Niña was unusually long, about three years long. I'm not sure what that signifies but it seems like it might be important.

From climate.gov:

edit: formatting

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well, some depictions of hell have circles, so maybe we're entering a new one

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’d say we’re in the fourth circle. Greed is what got us here, after all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

WORSE? How could things get any worse? Take a look around here, Ellen. We're at the threshold of hell.

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