Yeah choose one,
- 12 websites written mostly by templates that are keyword-stuffed to sound like your question, and one might contain an answer in the 8th paragraph.
- A response from a bot that's unreliable, but extremely specific to your query.
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Too accurate... Finding information on the Internet is becoming a major pain in the ass these days. It doesn't help that public tech support/help forums are being increasingly replaced by having to join hyper-specific Discord servers.
I have noticed that the quality of results on Google and DDG and others have been declining steadily over the last few years, and I think this is mostly a result of click farms generally getting better at gaming the system. Genuinely quality content is just being drowned out by crap.
ChatGPT doesn't really address this. I also don't see ChatGPT as a genuine replacement yet because 1) hallucination is still too big of a problem and 2) the value add of using natural language for queries doesn't seem all that beneficial to me. Sorta like, how IF you are already used to a terminal, it will be faster or just as fast as a GUI for many things.
The only real value I have seen from ChatGPT, is for complex boilerplate generation that is very easy to verify. ChatGPT is fantastic for generating regex, for example. Or poems, if you prefer.
Natural language kind of stuff can be helpful if you don't know the relvent terms for something though I haven't had too much luck most of the time with ChatGPT on that kind of stuff. Worse is that ChatGPT is likely to lead to even more SEO spam :(
Phind.com has replaced google for me. GPT3.5/4, live search results, and no Microsoft leering over my shoulder.
I only use DDG to search for answers on the web.
At the moment, CGPT is mostly used for building me small scripts. i'm not a great programmer, but i do understand bash script most of the time. so often if i need something done i'll just ask CGPT to build me something and i think it only made a mistake once.
Haven't been using Google for at least 6-7 years. Went first to DDG, then Qwant, then to SearX(NG) and ended up hosting my own (public) instance of the latter.
I set up a SearXNG instance a few days ago and I love it. I only wish I found out about it sooner.
I still use Google when I'm wanting to find a particular website, but ChatGPT is definitely nibbling at the use cases. ChatGPT is good when I'm brainstorming random ideas - it's important to bear in mind that it makes crap up, but sometimes that's what I'm after. If accuracy is important I can double-check it afterward.
Bing was looking like it might take over from Google for me, but in recent weeks something changed and I started not liking it any more. I would ask it for something and it would always do a websearch and seemingly base its answer entirely on whatever website it first found. That results in it giving a lot of "I don't know the answer..." responses when I know that the answers are really out there. If Bing's going to act as the "I feel lucky" button on Google then there's not much value in it. Maybe they'll fix it.
But it's really good in faking knowledge. Very often it sounds legit, even though it's just some made up bs. You read it, it's wrong, but it still sounds like it's legit. Read about a judge or lawyer using it to provide old cases as precedent and CGPT made up some old case and case numbers. Still it was used in court till it turned out such cases never existed.
Yes, I am aware. I said:
ChatGPT is good when Iβm brainstorming random ideas - itβs important to bear in mind that it makes crap up, but sometimes thatβs what Iβm after.
Sometimes I want it to be making stuff up that sounds legit, that's exactly what I'm after. The legitness is the important part, the accuracy is secondary. Sometimes I provide it with all the facts up front and just want it to rewrite them for me.
Don't use it in court. That's not what it's for. It's for other things.
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No, but recently iβve stopped using Google as well. Currently I mostly use Ecosia, I think their company philosophy is pretty cool and I like the results so far. I donβt think that ChatGPT works as a substitute for a search engine for my uses at least, as many of my searches require me to check multiple links and I donβt always type in the full natural language sentences necessary for ChatGPT.
It doesn't necessarily replace search engines, but I've been using chatgpt and sometimes Bing chat more and more. Like others have said, it does hallucinate all the time, and cannot be trusted to be 100% correct. I don't see that as a problem though, as long as I have some way to verify what it says, assuming accuracy is important. The amount of time wasted by bad answers is easily made up with the time savings on correct, or correct-ish answers.
I'm a software engineer, so a common work pattern will be to ask chatgpt "write me code to do X, meeting constraints Y and Z". As long as the subject isn't too obscure, it'll generally produce something I can work with. I then adapt that code sample to work in the actual context it is needed, and then debug it as if it were my own code. Sometimes it'll make up function and things like that, but I'll fix those and it doesn't take any more time than if I had to go learn that function as I wrote my own implementation.
Another scenario is when I get an error I'm unfamiar with. Often times, I can ask chatgpt to explain the error, and sometimes even fix it for me. This usage more directly replaces a search engine. If the fix doesn't work, then I'll do it the old fashioned way.
I'm strongly looking forward to github copilot X to be even more integrated than chatgpt in this work flow.
Nah I use DuckDuckGo
aka Bing
Switched to DuckDuckGo but lately almost every search I make I find a reddit answer so I started searching on reddit directly
I don't use Google very often anymore, more of a DuckDuckGo fan. However using ChatGPT has become my goto for quick howto stuff. A lot of web searches will load clickbait articles or dead end forums. Using GPT I often get a strait forward guide built for exactly what I need.
They aren't designed to be right, they're designed to look like they're right
Is Bing powered by some ChatGPT now?
Yes
Does it require the edge browser?
The edge browser has a chatgpt sidebar which can even websites and answer based on that. But other than that, no. All you need is a Microsoft account to access the chatgpt features.
I tried finding it on my computer and it wanted me to install edge, but on Android it is it's own app. I'd like to use the coding support, but don't want to use edge.
Huh is that so? Seems like Microsoft made another stupid thing when my opinion of them improved by a little bit.
I'm trying it in Android and it's like ok. It's cool because it interested other ai like dall-e but there's ads, etc. I'm wondering when I'm going to get sponsored results, lol.
I have my own Searx instance setup and I search through that. Never thought of giving ChatGPT/Bing a try. But I might go that route if the search results quality keep getting worse and worse. It'll definitely take some getting used to though.
Hasn't impacted me, and hasn't drawn me to Bing either. I recommend using DuckDuckGo. I have for years now and love them!
Love for DuckDuckGo yo!
I switched to DuckDuckGo for privacy reasons.
Same. Switched for the privacy, stayed for the overall better results. Still hit Google for movie showtimes and some other functionality, but usually use DDG.
That said, DDG gets most of its results from Bing, so I'll occasionally use Bing search and it's good, too. The Bing chatbot can be good, but it regularly will type up a whole response that looks exactly like what I want, and the delete it and ask to change the subject. If it types anything that it thinks is sensitive it just shuts down.
I still use google. If I have a programming related query I use it normally. Otherwise I search for example "best cheap iems reddit" because Google has cannibalised itself by the means of SEO.
Anyone else using Kagi.com for search? I'm using it as a paid user and it's fantastic, no ads and no tracking and results are great. I use ChatGPT for "ideas" and Kagi for specifics.
How come you feel the need to pay for your search engine? What type of searches do you do?
Less Google = better. The results are also better, and looking for stuff is a good part of my programming job.
I wouldnβt personally use chatGPT ,or any language model for that matter, if factual information is the goal.
DDG has been my go-to recently, but mostly because Iβm jaded with current year data harvesting and such. The internet feels like such a hassle these days .-.
@natebluehooves @dl007, to find what I search I use mostly these search engines with AI without BigBrother company spyware, is in these where AI is usefull because "de-hazzle" the internet with direct answers based on reliable resources, ChatGPT can't do this, it has a knowledge base from 2021 and can't give reliable and up-to-date answers because of this.
https://andisearch.com (the most private search engine ever)
https://www.perplexity.ai
https://you.com (free account to use it)
perplexity is the best for code, it still hallucinates but way less than chatgpt.
@Icarus, special for codes is Phind, a AI search engine for devs
None of the search engines is perfect, all of them have pros and flaws, because of this, if you need a deeper research it is inevitable to have several on hand.
Yeah, pretty much (GPT-4's a big upgrade over the default 3.5).
That said, OpenAssistant is already really impressive for a project with such limited resources. Would love to see open-source overtake OpenAI quickly (which IMO isn't out of the question, considering how quickly Stable Diffusion developed)
Not really (I wasn't using Google directly anyway), I think it fills a slightly different niche than search engines.
It's good as a fuzzy search for the sum of public knowledge, since it can understand quite complex queries and point you in the right direction, then you can go to regular search engines to find more specific stuff.
Bing was fun to exploit, but I don't really see why it's useful, it tends to always look up information which means it provides less of its own knowledge, I can do the searches myself better than an LM. Maybe it can provide more concise answers than all the SEO crap everywhere, but that can be avoided by searching on specific websites like reddit.
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