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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/15089465

Americans Are Open To Cheap Chinese Cars. That’s 'Scary' For The Rest Of The Auto Industry

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (12 children)

Lemmy:

Go UAW, fight for higher wages and better working conditions

Also Lemmy:

I demand the cheapest car possible, I don't care if its built by slave labor in xinjiang. If western companies can't compete with third world labor costs then they're obviously inefficient and don't deserve to exist.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If the price of labor was what determined the price, then why have prices gone up, when labor prices have not?

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[–] Pohl 5 points 6 months ago

It’s the same thing the right does with government. It is a truism that there is all sorts of “inefficiencies” where the money is going to the wrong people for the wrong stuff.

In both cases, it’s sort of correct and sort of wrong. Corporations, governments, and any human institution beyond a certain scale (a few hundred people), will leak wealth into places it shouldn’t. It’s an unavoidable feature of our species as best I can tell.

It’s fine to accept it, it’s fine to be angry about it. It’s silly to blind yourself to it in some places and whinge about it in others.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

slave labor in xinjiang

Oh no the CIA-backed terrorists got job training, the horror. https://lemmy.ml/comment/8175413

The actual slave labor is in the United States, thanks to the 13th amendment.

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[–] LaLuzDelSol 5 points 6 months ago (7 children)

I feel like a lot people on Lemmy, and people in left-leaning spaces in general, kind of have a blind spot on this one. People get that buying local is good, but not buying American.

It matters where your money goes. People complain about the soullessness of modern American life, and how hard it is to find a good job, and how democracies are backsliding around the globe, and then they buy things from China that are cheaply made and, at most, slightly better value in the long run.

This isn't me trying to be nationalist or xenophobic but whenever anyone (including me because there's no way to completely avoid it nowadays) buys Chinese goods you are supporting a government that is aggressively un-democratic, that actively supports Russia, and also has basically zero labor laws and an absolutely enormous wealth gap between the ruling class and the working class.

And yeah I get a lot of Americans are hurting right now due to inflation but the solution isn't to send money overseas. The best thing you can do for your neighbor is buy union and buy American.

[–] Maggoty 5 points 6 months ago

Buying local/national is fine when the quality is there. But I'm not putting my face into a grinder just to bail out American corporations.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Voting with your dollar is a myth (it's a myth that workers have any vote, not that the dollar controls the imperial core). China offering a viable alternative to not being able to afford cars because companies have arbitrarily inflated prices is great. Arbitrarily spending a lot more money that will mostly go to shareholders in the US is not going to help the worker

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

also has basically zero labor laws and an absolutely enormous wealth gap between the ruling class and the working class.

China's congress literally just passed a law a few days ago requiring all companies over 100 employees to have employee councils as a mandatory organ of the company structure

Article 17(2) of the Revised Company Law now stipulates that the assembly of employee representatives shall be the basic form of the democratic corporate governance system and that this shall apply to all companies. That means, regardless of whether a company is private or state-owned, whether it is a limited liability or a stock corporation. This is a notable development, as democratic corporate governance as a requirement for all companies is set out in national law for the first time.

An Employee Assembly shall be convened at least once a year, and more than two-thirds of the employee representatives must be present at the plenary session of an Employee Assembly. Elections and votes on relevant matters at an Employee Assembly require a majority of all employee representatives.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

The biggest con is the industry's war to make Kei trucks illegal in the US.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

I'd rather walk than spend money on an 'American' car. Fuck, I'd rather walk period but you can catch my drift.

[–] PP_BOY_ 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The US auto market got a massive PR boost this year with the whole UAW affair. No one in power would throw that away by removing the protectionist policies that have been in place for decades. The US market is held hostage by the Big Three who want to sell you garbage AWD, unrepairable, unibody crossovers

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