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LoglineA distress call from Lt. Noonien-Singh compels Spock to disobey orders and take the USS Enterprise and its crew into disputed space, risking renewed hostilities with the Klingons in a bid to aid their shipmate.

Written by Henry Alonso Myers & Akiva Goldsman

Directed by Chris Fisher


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[–] goldgate 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Season 2 is released? I just finished watching season 1 yesterday!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is a fine episode, but I felt it tried to take on too much when it absolutely did not need to. The stolen starship thing never felt purposeful. I presume its intent is to help set up why the enterprise is going so deep into klingon territory, but i’m just not sold on that. I think an espionage/stealth set up would’ve been a better balance (especially with later sneaking through the asteroids).

Others have brought up Spock’s emotion and how it’s seemingly exceeding TOS Spock. Personally, Im not too concerned with this. I tend to be pretty fast and lose with canon (i’m here to have fun, not stress over every thing). With that said, my best theory is that between now and The Cage, Spock will have some traumatic event which forces him to lock away his emotions further.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Have we ever heard of Lanthanites? Apparently they

spoilerlive such a long time they get bored and they are hiding on Earth in the 22nd century.

I wonder if they know about the El-Aurians or Q.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure they're new to Trek! They don't yet have a page on Memory Alpha, though I imagine there will be by the end of the day.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wouldn't be surprised. But I love how they just created a Guinan for SNW.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm only 14 minutes in, and I'm already way into this season.

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[–] MagikarpeDiem 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I understand if I get a slew of downvotes, but I thought that episode was pretty bad. The pacing was weird and many of the sequences involving the mining planet felt poorly written (what's with the Witcher potion?). I feel like I'm the only person not into the whole Spock/Chapel thing, so seeing that pushed harder was cringe for me.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I agree completely. This Episode was not very good. Star Trek is best when smart people come up with brilliant ways to solve a problem. Beating up 20 klingons with super potion is just lazy writing and dumb. Stealing the Enterprise was unnecessary. Just write the Admiral to not be a dumbass and allow the mission.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think this episode was fine. Glad to have it back, and hoping we don't have too many more breaks between shows again. :D

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm doing my first watch of TOS and the instrument that Spock picks up is the same as in TOS 1x02. That was a cool little reference.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not bad, but felt very Discovery in tone and aesthetic. I'm hoping future episodes match season 1's vibe.

[–] Razzleberry 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree, too much over the top action for my tastes, and the super serum was pretty silly. At least the Klingons were handled well. I like the look of them this season far better than anything else from this era of new Trek. They acted like Klingons too.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

WE ARE BACK!!!! :D

I feel like I have waited so long and it was worth it, while at first I wasn't bought entirely on the action, it really came together at the end.

I loved the entire part of Spock stealing the Enterprize for the first time of many and April's unintentional implications for the future. SNW keeps proving it has the Trek energy, yes it might stumble some, I can understand questions about magic steroids (it's a bit out there even for me but I am also surprised it took this long to have it, but maybe its not meant for combat actually but some medical thing?)

But it doesn't change that the quality of this show is so high, this really manages to capture the feelings of the older series, DS9 and TNG but also with a certain high quality to it.

Loved seeing the Crossfield get another showing and how the D7 has become the mainstay. I like that we get some more traditional trek ships out there. That feel like the older ones.

Klingon blood wine drinking with Spock was amazing.

I also loved Pellia and haven't heard of the lanthenians before but something about the half crazy old lady character is just amazing.

I laughed so much, felt so much heart warming. But then also feeling my heart ripped out with the memory to Nichelle and seeing that she has passed. I remember reading it but had kinda lost track of it.

I am so looking forward to more episodes of this <3

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

What a way to start the season! I love that they're leaning hard into the TOS vibe.

There's a lot to pick apart if you really wanted to, but frankly it's hard for me to get hung up on minutae when the characters and universe are so spot on. Some good starship porn in there too. What an adventure! Gene would be more than happy with this one I think.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Quite enjoyable, although I agree with some other commenters that it wasn't the strongest premiere. I thought the green juice and whole Chapel/M'Benga plotline was particularly rough, though dealing with the PTSD could be interesting in the future. It just felt rather un-Star Trekky in an otherwise solid show.

I'm also slightly unsure about how far they are going in regards to Spocks journey. I did like that they had an in-universe fairly believable reason for it from last seasons episode with the Gorn. I like that the show has a consequence for Spock, and I certainly don't hate it but just a bit cautious and curious where it's heading.

Otherwise I thoroughly enjoyed the episode, even with so little of Pike. The other characters are very solid and I liked that they toned down some of the quips and such. Looking forward to the rest of the season.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Fun episode, but bits and pieces always felt a little off. Pelia was fantastic - love seeing competent non-main-characters in any sort of fiction.

Chapel/Spock... ugh. Not so much.

Whats with the wierd "Crossfield" class?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Nice episode, I was expecting a cliffhanger at the end showing what Pike was up to.

I am curious about the Lanthanites, I’ve had visitor before, like Guinan in 1890s, but a whole species living among side humans, maybe they don’t have a big population, I bet they could be the origin of many human myths. I wonder what was their reason.

Maybe It will help with Una’s trial, since both pretended to be humans.

Also, in TOS there was about an Immortal Human, maybe he was a Lanthanite and just didn’t know.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (9 children)

If they had super-soldier drugs the whole time why didn't they use them against the gorn or any other combat that occurred in season 1?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Presumably they have nasty side effects and the only reason they resorted to them here was because the only other option was oblivion.

I'd like to see them going through some bad consequences of using that stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Was that a TOS style California-class docked next to the Enterprise early on?

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