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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)
[–] tatlo_itlog_ko 4 points 1 year ago

Yung gradient ang nagdala! 😂

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For some reason, I can't see this thread when I'm using my .world account.

I don't have this problem when I'm using my lemm.ee one.

[–] heliosef 3 points 1 year ago

Okay, I figured it out. It's that Language setting that's warns you against deselecting "Undetermined".

Warning: If you deselect Undetermined, you will not see most content.

I actually needed to deselect it to make things work again.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] asunaspersonalasst 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So the numbers were inflated, and pretend that it's hype?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

yep, sa para na rin di mag-cause ng issue yun mga suspicious accounts

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

From one of the comments in the linked thread:

Obviously we can make inferences based on active users and speed of growth, but a smart person could minimize those signs to the point of being unnoticeable.

Off the top of my head, correlating the growth of new accounts to active users (plus some lag) could be a useful heuristic here. Preemptively de-federating from suspicious instances (based on the heuristic I've just given, or some other, more refined heuristic) can also be useful until there are better tools that are available against this.

I've noticed from looking at pretty graphs that there's usually a correlation between new registrations and user activity across the board. However, since bot accounts don't necessarily generate activity (and for a good reason—a lot of those bots are either made by well-meaning people demonstrating the danger, or are put as sleeper agents until they are needed), one can reasonably guess that an instance with an abnormally high rate of new user registrations, without the corresponding rise in user activity, is a bot-infested instance.

Of course, this could lead to bots artificially rising activity through spamming, and this needs action as well.

All this I've said have already been discussed in the comment thread where I've lifted the quote from. Of particular note to me is this:

A simple way to do so is to just start with a handful of popular, well run instances and consider them trustworthy. Then they can vouch for any other instances being trustworthy and if people agree, the instance is considered trustworthy. It would eventually build up a network of trusted instances. It’s still decentralized. Sure, it’s not as open as before, but what good is being open if bots and trolls can ruin things for good as soon as someone wants to badly enough?

I think the opposite approach, like how it is done in ad-blockers, would work: a list of instances that are considered bot-infested and are untrustworthy. Basically, a block list. Publicly-available lists would be made available, and instances can be might be more strict—and hence liberal in adding more instances to this list (Beehaw.org is one example I immediately think of that would do things this way), or less strict.

Having said all that, I have this suspicion that it's already how things work currently, just a bit more ad-hoc and "manual". Also, this is probably way too over my head.

Anyways, for whatever it's worth, that's my two cents.

[–] asunaspersonalasst 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
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