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I've been on Wayland for the past two years exclusively (Nvidia).

I thought it was okay for the most part but then I had to switch to an X session recently. The experience felt about the same. Out of curiosity, I played a couple of games and realized they worked much better. Steam doesn't go nuts either.

Made me think maybe people aren't actually adopting it that aggressively despite the constant coverage in the community. And that maybe I should just go back.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

A couple years(ish) on intel-only laptops. I run it with KDE Plasma. I only think about it when I see a thread like this one.

For me it Just Works™. I recognize that being intel-only may be a contributing factor, and my certification of Just Works™ is not to imply dismissal of any problems others may be having. 🙂

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Plasma 6 fixed a lot of issues I had with Wayland, mostly multi monitor, but I've been using it since steam on X11 would cause your entire desktop environment to freeze up consistently every time. I read it was because steam was constantly pinging your display ports to see if there was another monitor connected, but I don't know how true that is. Moving to Wayland fixed that probably because of xwayland

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

About a year ago I moved to Hyprland & Wayfire for my NVIDIA & Intel boxes. Moved NVIDIA to Radeon a few months back and had mixed results.

Recently tried Plasma 6 for experimental HDR and am impressed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Since I mostly run Debian with KDE, I've been using it a lot since KWin is on its stable repo.

First time I really use it is on Gentoo, which exclusively runs Plasma. Since it's rolling-release, it didn't take too long to be available.

I've been moving this build from one computer to another, they all work fine. Currently it's on a Thinkpad W530. Got some problems with multi-monitor that never happen under X11. Thankfully after I replace the firmware with coreboot, and opted for dGPU only, I never encountered any issue.

Currently, what keeps me from fully ditching X11 on KDE is the buggy SDDM support.

On the other hand, I've been using Linux Mint on my work PC. As you may have known, neither Cinnamon and XFCE has it at the moment.

[–] MrMcGasion 1 points 9 months ago

I'll probably make the jump when Plasma 6.1 releases with their "real, fake session restore" functionality, was hoping that would make it in to Plasma 6, and I am daily driving Wayland on my laptop now, but I kinda need my programs (or at least file managers and terminal windows) to re-open the way they were between reboots.

Thanks to kscreen-doctor, I've been able to port most of my desktop scripts that I use for managing my multiple monitors to work on Wayland, and krdc/krfb have been a decent enough replacement for x11vnc or x2go for accessing the desktop on my home server/NAS remotely (I know, desktops on servers are considered sacrilege, but for me it's been useful too many times to get rid of at this point).

Where Wayland currently shines for me is VR, Steam VR works better, and more consistently on Plasma Wayland than X11 at this point, which is probably more of a Valve thing than a Wayland thing. When I first got my Index, X11 worked fine, but there have been times when Steam VR on Linux being "broken" has made the news on Phoronix/Gaming on Linux, but still worked fine on Plasma Wayland (which seems to be where Valve is doing most of their SteamVR Linux testing as of late).

As an end user, I do wish that the Wayland specification was organized better, because as an outsider, it seems a lot of the bickering that goes on has more to do with everyone having different end goals. I think if they would split out the different styles of window management to have their own sub-specs or extensions and then figure out what of that could be moved into the core after everyone has built what they need would be better than their current approach of compromising their way through every little decision that doesn't always make sense for every use case. Work together when it makes sense, but understand that there are times when that doesn't make sense, and sometimes you can't please every stick in the mud, and are going to have to do your own thing without them. I do get the appeal of doing things right the first time too though, even if it takes more time. But it seems like usability is always the thing that gets sacrificed when compromises are made.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Yes, though "since when" depends on the machine. My last machine to switch over was one with an NVIDIA GPU a couple of months ago.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Probably never. X11 just works better. Wayland has bad design and bad implementations.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I had it on a test system and Chrome/Chromium wasn't happy. Slow af. Dunno if it had an impact on Firefox, but that used a lot of RAM and was very slow when sharing the screen.

At least Waydroid worked flawlessly 👍

For now, I'm back on X11 where I game. I'll just wait for it come by default on major distros ("stable"), wait a little longer (stable for real) and then switch once nothing on my system needs "XWayland" or whatever. wine does AFAIK, so at least due to that, no Wayland for me.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

I'll switch to wayland when it runs better than X. And that isn't the case for now.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (11 children)

I will daily drive Wayland when it becomes Xorg function equivalent e.g. functional screen capture and overlays like every other OS (so never)

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