White House: Future Software Should Be Memory Safe : programming

[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (16 children)

I'm going to advocate for C here: the sheer simplicity, fast compile times, and power it gives you means it's not a bad language, even after all these years. Couple that with the fact that everything supports it.

Rust, while I don't actually know how to write it, seems much more difficult to learn, slower to compile, and if you want to do anything with memory, you have to fight the compiler.

And memory bugs are only a subset of bugs that can be exploited in a program. Pretending Rust means no more exploitation is stupid.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Maybe it’s just because I haven’t had to deal with the scenario yet but does compile time really matter? I mean for small programs it seems it’s almost instant on modern machines and for large programs I would assume, if it exists, that you would be using the equivalent of make so you would only be recompiling the small changes made.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Bait used to be believable 🚬

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[+] dohpaz42 -6 points 9 months ago (9 children)

I’m going to probably be downvoted to Hell, but I disagree wholly that it’s the language’s fault that people can exploit their programs. I’d say it’s experience by the programmer that is at fault, and that’s due to this bootcamp nature of learning programming.

I’d also blame businesses that emphasize quantity over quality, which then gets reflected in academia because schools are teaching to what they believe business wants in a programmer. So they’re just churning out lazy programmers who don’t know any better.

There needs to be an earnest revival of good programming as a whole; regardless of language, but also specifically to language. We also need to stop trying to churn out programmers in the shortest time possible. That’s doing no one any good.

That’s my two cents.

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[+] CaptainProton -10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Oh yes, improve security by mandating that everyone uses higher level languages that encourage importing libraries.

I hate to pull the AI card, but AI has a better chance of catching low level language type issues than forcing people to use tools they didn't want to has of accomplishing anything positive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Sboms, and supply chain security are also being pushed

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