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Meta will kill small instances! Please read. (self.fediverse)

submitted 1 year ago by peppy to c/fediverse

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I just read this point in a comment and wanted to bring it to the spotlight.

Meta has practically unlimited resources. They will make access to the fediverse fast with their top tier servers.

As per my understanding this will make small instances less desirable to the common user. And the effects will be:

Meta can and will unethically defedrate from instances which are a theat to them. Which the majority of the population won't care about, again making the small instances obsolete.
When majority of the content is on the Meta servers they can and will provide fast access to it and unethically slow down access to the content from outside instances. This will be noticeable but cannot be proved, and in the end the common users just won't care. They will use Threads because its faster.

This is just what i could think of, there are many more ways to be evil. Meta has the best engineers in the world who will figure out more discrete and impactful ways to harm the small instances.

Privacy: I know they can scrape data from the fediverse right now. That's not a problem. The problem comes when they launch their own Android / iOS app and collect data about my search and what kind of Camel milk I like.

My thoughts: I think building our own userbase is better than federating with an evil corp. with unlimited resources and talent which they will use to destroy the federation just to get a few users.

I hope this post reaches the instance admins. The Cons outweigh the Pros in this case.

We couldn't get the people to use Signal. This is our chance to make a change.

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[–] SUPERcrazy3530 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

What a huge piece of FUD this is. Threads is already way larger then the Fediverse is. They don't need to come here and try and take users. You are afraid that Meta will hoard the content and users from the Fediverse but they are already doing that. Threads doesn't connect now so it's all there's. Why would they connect to just disconnect later? Why is the answer to being afraid of getting disconnected in the future to never connect? This makes no sense. It's complete fear mongering.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

But... what kind of Camel milk do you like?

[–] peppy 8 points 1 year ago

Better explained here: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I mean, we can all defederate. You're TELLING us to defederate. What makes ours ethical and their unethical??
They cannot make our instances slower. Your browser / the server doesn't make any requests to threads when you load a page on your instance. They could send notifications less frequently, but so what.

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[–] PalePhantom 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

This post feels like fearmongering...

Why would Meta care about small instances? I feel like Meta would only see the big instances as pontential threat.

Honestly, this could actually be an opportunity for fediverse. I don't want Meta to harvest my data, so I would never make an account there. However I am interested in content/people from Meta and I can follow that from fediverse. I believe there is large group of people who think the same way and they may join fediverse if they haven't already done that.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would imagine that the kind of people willing to use Threads were already not going to sign up for a "small instance", and a lot of admins of various sized instances have already agreed to defederate regardless https://fedipact.online/

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[–] aku 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

are you peppy from osu! ?

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[–] trymeout 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Could Threads essentially cause a kinda DDOS attack onto other instances or bloating other instances with data?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I, personally, do not want to be defederated from Threads. I want to follow some of the key news orgs and political figures who haven’t made the move over to Mastodon. For me, it can be the best of both worlds. I can get the content I want and maintain the level of privacy that I want.

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